argument for FTF sales

[merl]

I would argue the lack of effectiveness. Banning FTF sales would not have prevented the Aurora Theater shootings, that murderer bought his weapons through licensed dealers. Waiting periods wouldn't have helped either, as he bought them months in advance. Registration doesn't accomplish anything either. All of the bureaucracy they are going to try to create will have no effect on crimes of this nature, will waste taxpayer dollars, and are fundamentally unconstitutional impediments to rights that are guaranteed. Aside from the general do-nothing nature of this initiative, the state can expect lengthy and expensive litigation.

thanks for this. Adding a 'not needing more useless laws' argument is a good second point. Anyone got anything else?

Jim, most of the letters address an AWB, magazine restrictions, general gun control. They don't address this specifically and since Hickenlooper directly addressed FTF sales it is good to have a specific response.

[Ronin13]

F@#$%^&* NO i don't do any caffeine. I suggest like doing a SEARCH, he and everyone else go to the legislate/politics forum here. Some folk have come up with polite, letters they are sending to our lack of representatives.
AGAIN, I don't need any reason to justify what i do which is legal. UNTIL our rep's take a stand on ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION they have no room to talk or legislate.

AMEN! The best argument I've heard recently was "If all these politicians want to ban guns, how about they start with their protective details? Hmm?"

[alxone]

Forget history as it seems the dem's liberals and anti-gun crowd have and are are about to in a major way. You are either for or against guns. There is no middle of the road. All the waffling and hand wringing has to stop. Stand up and be counted OR SELL YOUR GUNS NOW.
it's been beaten to death here and other discussion forums. Do not Argue with an IDIOT. Nothing short of a pissing match will get their attention. They are like dog(SQUIRREL)S. Short attention span and no will power to think for them self.

Oh it's so terrible. Yes it is. Its horrendous. However CT has strict gun laws in place, which did nothing to stop this atrocity, NOTHING!

sometimes your right jim

[BushMasterBoy]

If the firearms had been locked in a gun safe, then the Newtown, CT shooting would NOT have occurred. All my AR's stay locked in a gun safe, with a burglar alarm and video surveillance. Some psycho is not going to grab my AR and shoot up a school. As for FTF restrictive legislation, I doubt it will pass. If they want to pass legislation funding armed guards at schools, I think that will pass. We have too many armed forces overseas guarding us from "perceived" threats and not enough armed personnel guarding us from "actual" threats here in our own country. I like seeing armed guards when I walk into a bank or grocery store. Then again I grew up on US military bases as a child, and was used to seeing armed guards everywhere in the community. If you have an assault rifle, for Gods sake, lock them up in a safe.

[SAnd]

Don't forget that the Columbine shooters used guns that were bought by a straw purchase and at least one that was a face to face sale.

The individual that did the straw purchase did no jail time if I remember right. I'm not sure she even was convicted of any crime.

The background check didn't stop the straw purchase gun from being available to the shooters. The background check law and the straw purchase law didn't do any good.

[Clint45]

Somewhat related to a ban on FTF sales . . . in NY, if a pistol permit holder dies, and his wife/sons do not have a pistol permit themselves, it is a FELONY for them to keep the permit holder's handgun in their own home, even if it is unloaded and locked in a safe. A few years back the law was changed. Before, it was legal to have an unlicensed handgun in your own home (as long as you never took it outside). Now, if a permit holder dies, the family needs to call the State Police within 30 days to collect any handguns. The police will hold them for a while as you beginn the 6 month long process of applying for a pistol permit. In the event you are actually issued a NY pistol permit, you then must register each handgun you wish to keep.

Also related . . . when NY implemented their AWB, simple possession of a 30 rd magazine also became a felony, whether or not you had ammo or a firearm that it fit. Burden of proof is on the defendant to prove his magazine was somehow grandfathered or otherwise lawful to own.

[kidicarus13]

If the firearms had been locked in a gun safe, then the Newtown, CT shooting would NOT have occurred. All my AR's stay locked in a gun safe, with a burglar alarm and video surveillance. Some psycho is not going to grab my AR and shoot up a school. As for FTF restrictive legislation, I doubt it will pass. If they want to pass legislation funding armed guards at schools, I think that will pass. We have too many armed forces overseas guarding us from "perceived" threats and not enough armed personnel guarding us from "actual" threats here in our own country. I like seeing armed guards when I walk into a bank or grocery store. Then again I grew up on US military bases as a child, and was used to seeing armed guards everywhere in the community. If you have an assault rifle, for Gods sake, lock them up in a safe.

It may seem like a good idea to you but I will not be forced to lock my guns in a safe. They will continue to lie around my house loaded with one in the chamber. If someone breaks into my locked house and uses my gun in a shooting spree it is not my fault no matter how you look at it.

[PugnacAutMortem]

It may seem like a good idea to you but I will not be forced to lock my guns in a safe. They will continue to lie around my house loaded with one in the chamber. If someone breaks into my locked house and uses my gun in a shooting spree it is not my fault no matter how you look at it.

+1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

[Whistler]

If the firearms had been locked in a gun safe, then the Newtown, CT shooting would NOT have occurred. All my AR's stay locked in a gun safe, with a burglar alarm and video surveillance. Some psycho is not going to grab my AR and shoot up a school. As for FTF restrictive legislation, I doubt it will pass. If they want to pass legislation funding armed guards at schools, I think that will pass. We have too many armed forces overseas guarding us from "perceived" threats and not enough armed personnel guarding us from "actual" threats here in our own country. I like seeing armed guards when I walk into a bank or grocery store. Then again I grew up on US military bases as a child, and was used to seeing armed guards everywhere in the community. If you have an assault rifle, for Gods sake, lock them up in a safe.

With those guns...

I don't own an "assault rifle" but if my firearms are "locked up" in my house, that's not adequate? Are you calling for mandating additional secure storage? What is "safe" enough, a cheap steel box with a lock or do you have some minimum requirement in mind? Better yet we could keep them at an officially approved storage location and sign them out, with approval of intended use/duration of course.

[patrick0685]

Its gonna be just like it was in Las Vegas, gun registration for everyone. FTF sales had to be done at the PD with a background check.

we are trying real hard to get rid of this worthless program, its only on handguns, they dont do an NICS check its some stupid check on their system. Also no one is required to do it at the PD just suppose to register it with in 3 days.