85 year old arrested in the middle of the night

[Sharpienads]

So let me get this straight. When the news posts anything unrelated to police action no one on this board believes it and complains about how inept the media is. When something in the news is about the police it has now become gospel and there couldn't be any other way of how this may have gone down.

That just about sums it up.

[alxone]

well i hope they gave that old fart the beating of his life . we need to put a stop to the elderly thinking that they can just use a cane all willy nilly . my heart goes out to that poor officer that was brutally attacked buy that viscous thug . i bet he is part of the aarp gang i keep hearing about on the boob tube . if we dont put an end to cane's , walkers and hoverrounds then our police will never be safe from these elderly hoodlums and ruffians !

i still say throw the book at that assault cane waving senior , hell lets get a group of people to surround that awful blood crazed lunatic and pelt him to death with books !

and we should take away the price is right and matlok reruns . make that old man regret every day he ever lived . i cant believe the potus has not had him shot yet or at least made a public statment on the dangers of old men with canes and how they threaten even the most hardened leo .

The reason why I point out the black and white of it is because none of us here know the whole story. If it is as everyone says or thinks on this board I know for certain at my PD I would have disciplinary action. I know under the new chief at DPD there would most likely be disciplinary action. He is getting rid of so-called "problem children" in the department so that the PD can get its footing again and get more support from the public. The old days at DPD are going to be behind them in the near future. No matter what your feelings are with the new chief, that's the writing on the wall. Maybe a DPD guy on the board would like to chime in and give what he thinks, but at the lower lever I have heard numerous good things. The people I hear bitching over there are senior officers that don't do much or from someone who messed up and is getting fired rather than their job saved so hopefully a good cop can take his place. Again, if a DPD wants to say it better or correct me where I'm wrong, I'm all for it.

Now, plain clothes does not mean off-duty. Just because a suspect says one thing, doesn't always make it so, that is for the court to decide. The fact of the matter is, there apparently was enough probable cause to get a warrant written for the old guy. And I feel like a judge is pretty strict about stuff like that, in my experience.

I am well aware of what you mean with "At risk adults." Being "At risk" does not allow you to hit someone with a cane. Again, I don't know why the person was contacted by the plain clothes officer. I am pointing out the black and white of it. Was he really afraid for his life? Beats the crap out of me. I can tell you that a 90 year Gracie beat the crap out of an Army Ranger captain when the Army was first adopting Jiu Jitsu. I am sure the guy with a cane isn't a Jiu Jitsu master, but I don't know since I wasn't there. I would also suggest that if the officer was completely wrong than the PD would probably have dropped it to save embarrassment.

I can tell you that you should never assume if someone is better than you, that's how people get hurt. Was the officer wrong, I have no idea. I am pointing what the law says about charging felony assault. Again, if you strike can cause pain to a police officer or firefighter it now is 2nd degree assault in this state rather than 3rd degree. Again, that's what the law says. I can only assume why the legislature put that there. And yes, I have charged elderly people with crimes and young juveniles with crimes. Sometimes there is little discretion. The difference in charging is that the 10 year old could be charged exactly the same way but they are juvenile and special considerations have to be made. The juvenile could still be transported to a facility and held until bond, just like an adult.

The mayor doesn't get special provisions as far as I know, they are not a police officer or firefighter. The law is written with emergency service personnel in mind to try to better protect them from the people they are contacting would be my assumption.

An example would be that police can't be victims of harassment. If someone tells you that they will kill you that person can be charged. If someone tells me that they are going to kill me than that's just part of the job.

i clearly think that we should not only ban canes but kick anyone who uses one over the age of 80 square in the hip . i also think we should start a fund for all those poor officers that are now traumatized and are afraid of grandpas .


ok im just funnin around . the out come matters not, in just a few years that old man will be soilent green anyway

[Dave_L]

Didn't mean for this to be "cop bashing". Just a lot of curiousity surrounding it. Kevin, any thoughts on why they came at the time they did? Is it just a timing of when a judge signs a warrant? I can't imagine how many wankers cops have to deal with on a regular basis. I assume you become slightly jaded towards general idiocy and irresponsibility. However, whether valid or not, cops (Especially Denver) have a bad rep of "looking" for a crime. Personally, I've had good experiences with cops. But I'm always respectful to them, too. I'm sure more info will come to light in the next few days so we'll see.

[KevDen2005]

Didn't mean for this to be "cop bashing". Just a lot of curiousity surrounding it. Kevin, any thoughts on why they came at the time they did? Is it just a timing of when a judge signs a warrant? I can't imagine how many wankers cops have to deal with on a regular basis. I assume you become slightly jaded towards general idiocy and irresponsibility. However, whether valid or not, cops (Especially Denver) have a bad rep of "looking" for a crime. Personally, I've had good experiences with cops. But I'm always respectful to them, too. I'm sure more info will come to light in the next few days so we'll see.

I would certainly argue that looking for crime (within common sense) is a good idea. To do the best we possibly can and prevent crime rather than react to it can be good for everyone, in a lot of ways, and a lot of the time, again within the Constitution and within common sense. I have no idea why it took so long. A warrant like that could take a few days to get through the system (in my jurisdiction, don't know about Denver). On top of that the holidays and then it getting down to the warrant division (if that's who served it) otherwise I don't know. It's timing I'm sure. I'm just pointing out that everyone is quick to side with the guy who hit the officer when he admitted to it, according to the article. Everything else is speculation and I have no idea why it occurred the way it did.

[RMAC757]

Ahhhh the small bit I caught on the news said this was some kind of volunteer, plain clothes ticket writer. Not a regular cop. The old guys story was corroborated by a couple people who saw it go down.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

Didn't mean for this to be "cop bashing". Just a lot of curiousity surrounding it. Kevin, any thoughts on why they came at the time they did? Is it just a timing of when a judge signs a warrant? I can't imagine how many wankers cops have to deal with on a regular basis. I assume you become slightly jaded towards general idiocy and irresponsibility. However, whether valid or not, cops (Especially Denver) have a bad rep of "looking" for a crime. Personally, I've had good experiences with cops. But I'm always respectful to them, too. I'm sure more info will come to light in the next few days so we'll see.

Well fuck... I've been mistaken the entire time. I thought that was what the police were paid for.

[DavieD55]

The excessive $50,000 bail for an 85 year old at risk adult is a crime in its self.

[JM Ver. 2.0]

The excessive $50,000 bail for an 85 year old at risk adult is a crime in its self.

You must not understand how bail is set...

EDIT: http://www.denvergov.org/GeneralInfo...6/Default.aspx


Denver County Court Bond Schedule



The bond schedules below have been established by the Denver County Court.


Note: when coming to the Bonding Office to post bond, a defendant will be expected to post the entire bond amount, and may also be assessed one or more of the following fees:

$50 Bond fee per bond posted (excludes Personal Recognizance bonds)
$30 Inmate Processing Fee per booking into the Detention Center
$30 per Outstanding Judgment Warrant (OJW)

Bonds will not be posted unless bond and fees are paid in full.

Credit cards (VISA/MC) are accepted as a form of payment for posting a bond, as long as the owner of the credit card provides a valid form of ID at the time the bond is posted.

DENVER COUNTY COURT SCHEDULE OF BONDS
This schedule hereby sets forth bond amounts for municipal violations; misdemeanors; and felony cases.
Municipal Bond Schedule

Citation	Description	Bond Amount
34-46	Wrongs to Minors	$1,500
38-31(a)	Interference to Police Authority	$500
38-31(b)	Interference with a Sheriff’s Deputy	$500
38-31(c)	Failure to Obey Lawful Order	$500
38-32(a)	Resistance to Police authority	$500
38-32(b)	Resistance to Sheriff authority	$500
38-37	Escape	$1,500
38-43	Violation of Restraining Order	Court Appearance Required
38-93	Assault	$500
38-93.1	Public Fighting	$100
38-94	Unlawful Acts Around Schools (any related charges)	$500
38-114(b)	Harassment Near Health Care Facility	$500
38-117(a)	Concealed Weapon	$1,500
	Second or More Offenses	Court Appearance Required
38-117(b)	Unlawful Carrying of a Weapon	$1,500
	Second or More Offenses	Court Appearance Required
38-117(c)	Flourishing A Weapon	$1,500
	Second or More Offenses	Court Appearance Required
38-121	Discharging/Firing a Weapon-Firearms	$500
38-126 (b), (c) or (d)	Incendiary Device-Explosive	$1,500
38-130	Assault Weapons	Court Appearance Required
38-157	Unlawful Public Indecency	$500
38-157.1	Indecent Exposure	$500
38-158	Prostitution (any related charges)	$1,000
	Second or More Offenses	Court Appearance Required
14-33(f)	Domestic Violence	Court Appearance Required
18-18-406(1)	Possession of Marijuana Under One Ounce	$100
18-18-406(3)	Public Consumption of Marijuana	Court Appearance Required
18-18-428	Possession of drug paraphernalia	$100
	Traffic Infractions	No Bond Required
	All other Denver Revised Municipal Code violations	$100
54-126	Reckless Driving	$500
54-56	Eluding a Police Officer	$1,000
54-159	Drag Racing	$500

Misdemeanor Bond Schedule

Citation	Description	Bond Amount
	All Traffic Offenses except for those listed below.	$100
	Petty Offense – Class 1	$100
	Petty Offense – Class 2	$100
	Class 1	$1,500
	Class 2	$750
	Class 3	$750
12-47-901(1)(h)(I)	Public Consumption of Alcohol	$100
18-3-206	Menacing	$750
18-3-208	Reckless Endangerment	$750
25-14-208(1)	Owner Allowed Prohibited Smoking	$100
25-14-208(2)	Smoking Prohibited	$100
25-14-103.5	Smoking Prohibited Schools	$100
42-4-1301(6)(a)(III)	DUI	$1,500
42-4-1301(6)(a)(II)	DWAI	$1,000
42-2-138(1)(a)	DUR	$750
42-2-138(1)(d)(I)	DUR due to alcohol-related driving offense	$750
42-2-205	Habitual Offender	$500
42-4-1409	NPOI	$750
42-4-1602	Hit & Run	$750
42-4-1402	Careless Driving	$200
42-20-201	Hazardous Material – Transport w/o permit	$200
42-20-305	Hazardous Material – Deviate from route	$200
18-6-801	Domestic Violence	Court Appearance Required
18-6-803.5	Violation of Restraining Order-DV	Court Appearance Required
18-6-401	Wrongs to Children	Court Appearance Required

Felony Bond Schedule

Citation	Description	Bond Amount
	Class 1	No Bond
	Class 2	$100,000
	Class 3	$10,000
	Class 4	$5,000
	Class 5	$5,000
	Class 6	$2,000
	Specific Offenses – Regardless of Class
16-13-303(1)(b) 16-13-303(1)(c) 16-13-303(1)(d) 16-13-303(1)(f) 16-13-303(1)(g) 16-13-303(1)(h) 16-13-303(1)(i) 16-13-303(1)(j) 16-13-303(1)(k)	Public Nuisance – Gambling “” Controlled Substance “” By Statute “” Drug Paraphernalia “” Child Prostitution “” Sex Exploitation “” Commission of Felony “” Eluding “” Hit and Run	$10,000
18-4-301	Aggravated Robbery	$50,000
18-4-102	Arson	$50,000
18-6-401	Child Abuse with Bodily Injury	$50,000
18-8-208	Escape	$50,000
18-4-202	1st Degree Burglary of Building (Drugs) or With Assault, Menacing or Weapon Involved	$50,000
18-3-402(1)(h)	Sexual Assault on Helpless	$50,000
18-3-402(4)(a)-(d)	Sexual Assault force, violence, threat	$50,000
18-3-405(2)(a)-(d)	Sexual Assault on a Child	$50,000
18-3-405.3	Sexual Assault on a Child-Position of Trust	$50,000
18-3-205	Vehicular Assault	$50,000
18-3-105	Deadly Weapon Involved With Criminally Negligent Homicide	$50,000
18-3-104	Deadly Weapon Involved with Manslaughter	$50,000
18-3-203(b)or(d)	Deadly Weapon Involved with 2ndDegree Assault	$50,000
18-3-302(4)(a)(II)	Deadly Weapon Involved with Kidnapping	$50,000
18-3-206(a)or(b)	Deadly Weapon Involved with Menacing	$50,000
18-18-412.5	Manufacture of Controlled Substances	$30,000
16-4-103(1)	Schedule I and II Controlled Substances	$50,000

[porfiriozg]

Sorry, I disagree. No reason for an off- duty cop to bully an old man over a damn handicap space and expired placard. He could have handled it more professionally. Don't start none, won't be none.

not an officer just a volunteer

[RMAC757]

You must not understand how bail is set...

You must not understand the 8th Amendment.