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paddywagon
09-24-2016, 03:26
Any recent form 4's approved? Waiting on one from April...
I've had a few F4's come in in the last 1 1/2 weeks from Feb 12 and Feb 25
mtnrider
09-24-2016, 13:29
Any recent form 4's approved? Waiting on one from April...
Form 4'a are really falling behind lately. I have one in from early May, They are approving mid to late February now so you might get it in December if your lucky. I'm guessing I'm going to be January at this rate.
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Thanks guys. Back to forgetting I submitted it so I dont think about it.
Starting to see form 4 approvals on mid to late Feb submissions.
Form 1 submitted in March arrived last week.
denverco
10-03-2016, 17:57
Starting to see form 4 approvals on mid to late Feb submissions.
Praise Jeebus.
Form 1 submitted in March arrived last week.
Paper or electronic?
Oh and as the previous post said, Praise Jeebus.
Form 1 Paper filed back on 18 Mar came in today. Almost 7 months.
Gonna try my luck with another can here shortly, im thinking itll be 10 months for the wait. TBAC 9 Ultra for the 300 BLK unless anyone thinks there's better out there.
lostcolorado
10-12-2016, 03:21
Form 1 SBR, trust
04/21/2016 - eFile
10/11/2016 - approved
Hey I should be getting my form 1 soon, my payment went through the 20th!
Hmm my form 1 paper was sent March 15. Got it September 1. Form 4 paper March feb 2, approved June 30
Just got my form 1 today
money charged 4/20/16
arpoved 10/3/16(my birthday)
recieved 10/12/16
We are seeing mid March paper forms trust/individual rolling in now.
NFA updated their timeline to 8 months.
I'm at 7 months right now for a Form 4. Still no word.
Form 1 AOW e- filed April 26, 2016
Approved and e-mail received today, October 18 at 11:21 am .
Form 1 SBS e-filed April 27, 2016
Approved and e-mail received today, October 18 at 6:53 am.
Time to warm up the hack saw.
mattiooo
10-27-2016, 18:13
Just got my SBR Form 1 Trust E-filed approved (email received at 6:00pm)
Submission Date: 2016-05-03-04:00
It was processed by Heather Thompson.
Still waiting on a Form 4 Trust Supressor filed about the same time.
lostcolorado
11-10-2016, 10:26
Zenith Z-5P MKE
Form 1 SBR
05/10/2016 - eFile submitted, Trust
11/10/2016 - approved
Zenith Z-5P MKE
Form 1 SBR
05/10/2016 - eFile submitted, Trust
11/10/2016 - approved
what type of stock are you going to put on that?
mtnrider
11-10-2016, 13:16
Zenith Z-5P MKE
Form 1 SBR
05/10/2016 - eFile submitted, Trust
11/10/2016 - approved
Well Crap. I thought I was a little closer to getting my approval. I put my Z-5P in on 5/27. Looks like I have a few more weeks to go.
I'm putting a B&T folder on mine.
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Same here, mine was 5/28. B&T folder as well. Just a few more weeks....
I thought the plates on the side would prevent a stock like that. Learn something new every day.
mtnrider
11-10-2016, 14:36
Any recent form 4's?
From what I have been hearing/seeing those are so far behind I don't even want to think about it. I have one out from early May and I don't expect it until probably February at best.
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Any recent form 4's?
Mid March form 4s still coming in. Nothing yet from April.
lostcolorado
11-10-2016, 17:24
what type of stock are you going to put on that?
Choate Folding Stock
https://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/MP5K-SP89-SP5K-Choate-Folding-Stock-6p390.htm
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Mid March form 4s still coming in. Nothing yet from April.
Thanks. Im in mid April so that gives me an idea.
mattiooo
11-10-2016, 17:50
I'm still waiting as well. Filed April 23rd with the check cashed on May 2nd. SBR was faster.
Colorado Scott
11-17-2016, 00:14
Form 4 Suppressor: Mailed out 3/28/2016 Received today! 11/16/2016 - 7 months 20 days (234 days)
Form 1 SBR: efile trust
Submitted: 5/26/2016
Approved: 12/8/2016
195 Days
mtnrider
12-08-2016, 22:12
Form 1 SBR: efile trust
Submitted: 5/26/2016
Approved: 12/8/2016
195 Days
I submitted mine the 27th. Looks like I'll have to wait until next week. Was hoping it would squeak in today's batch. :-(
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Check cashed 4/12
Got the call today 12/9
Form 4 Trust.
Check cashed 4/12
Got the call today 12/9
Form 4 Trust.
Sweet same day as mine. Guess mine is coming soon. Hopefully.
mattiooo
12-09-2016, 15:25
Check cashed 4/12
Got the call today 12/9
Form 4 Trust.
Yay....getting closer. Mine is 5/2.
Trust eform 1
Submitted 5/28
Approved 12/9
Rooskibar03
12-09-2016, 22:07
Check cashed 4/12
Got the call today 12/9
Form 4 Trust.
check cashed 4/15. Hopefully any day now.
mtnrider
12-12-2016, 10:03
Zenith Z-5P SBR
Form 1 efiled trust
Submitted 5/27
Approved 12/12
199 days
Form 4 Paper
Submitted April 12
Approved November 20th...Now waiting for stamp to arrive.
Trust Form 4
Check cashed 4/25
Received and picked up 12/12
I'm surprised as hell, wasn't expecting it for another few weeks.
Form 4 Paper
Submitted April 12
Approved November 20th...Now waiting for stamp to arrive.
Mine was approved on the same day. You should be getting yours soon.
Mine was approved on the same day. You should be getting yours soon.
Hopefully...Still waiting
Rooskibar03
12-22-2016, 00:22
Mailed 4/7. Approved 12/19. Picked up today.
Omega 9k.
Mid to late April form 4 submissions coming back now.
mattiooo
12-28-2016, 13:58
Mid to late April form 4 submissions coming back now.
Yay...I'm late April. Hoping it's soon. At least I'll be able to start the new year with a (lack of a) bang.
Come on June 6th. I know I know mostly likely another 2-3 months
Firehaus
01-04-2017, 13:35
Form 1 SBR online -
submitted 6/5/16, approved 1/04/17
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Great-Kazoo
01-04-2017, 16:14
Form 1 SBR online -
submitted 6/5/16, approved 1/04/17
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Figured it was going to be a 6+ month turn around time frame. I should see the next approval close to my bday.
Firehaus
01-04-2017, 17:19
Figured it was going to be a 6+ month turn around time frame. I should see the next approval close to my bday.
I'm waiting on a few form 4's I wish would hurry up.
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SBR eForm 1 submitted 6/9/2016, approved 1/11/2017.
I submitted a form yesterday 1/13/17. And I was just wondering how long the ATF is taking to do its thing?
Also, do you think it will speed up once Trump is sworn in?
In addition, since this is my first one and I had the shop selling it do all the paperwork... Do they send it to me or to the shop? Doesn't matter really but I would like to know.
Thanks for your time.
electronman1729
01-14-2017, 18:08
I just talked to a dealer today, and he told me they are now getting forums back that were submitted in July.
What type of form did you send?
Great-Kazoo
01-14-2017, 18:55
sounds like a Form 4 if dealer handled it. Wjo also gets the paperwork back from ATF. They should call , text or e-mail you once it's back to the FFL
6 + months, easy which is tracked in this thread for wait times. For a new application probably 2nd - 3rd week in august, maybe.
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/115513-Colorado-form-1-amp-4-transfer-data/page14
stevenc23
01-14-2017, 19:36
http://www.nfatracker.com/nfa-transfer-time-tracking/ is the best place I know of to look at transfer time
Form 4 for trust are at 8+ months and climbing
Form 4 individual seem to be a little less
paddywagon
01-14-2017, 21:32
"I just talked to a dealer today, and he told me they are now getting forums back that were submitted in July."
Sounds fishy. I have not gotten any customer F4's back from May yet. Have only seen up to the 3rd week of April.
DangerLee_Industries
01-14-2017, 22:22
I get back 30 - 40 on average each month and I'm still seeing mostly April and Radom March ones.
I get back 30 - 40 on average each month and I'm still seeing mostly April and Radom March ones.
Damn I need you to see those July ones or June something like that
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DangerLee_Industries
01-14-2017, 23:43
Approvals will be here before you know it buddy!
kidicarus13
01-15-2017, 01:07
http://www.nfatracker.com
I bought a suppressor under my LLC. I started it before the trust trend started and since I started just for NFA stuff. I should look it up but I don't remember what form I filed.
Why are some of you guys writing "forums"? I'm missing something there. I bet its a good joke...
Madeinhb
01-15-2017, 08:52
Dumb question - when buying one does someone pay for the suppressor first and wait or pay once the form is returned many moons later?
Dumb question - when buying one does someone pay for the suppressor first and wait or pay once the form is returned many moons later?
I bought it first then went back later to do the paperwork and pay the tax. They are holding onto it until the paperwork comes back.
Dumb question - when buying one does someone pay for the suppressor first and wait or pay once the form is returned many moons later?
You pay Dealer for the suppressor, file the Form 4 and pay the $200 Tax to the ATF when you send in the paperwork. The only thing you leave with is a purchase receipt for your suppressor.
mattiooo
01-23-2017, 14:29
Just called the ATF for a status check on my form 4. It was approved on 1/11. Waiting for the stamp now. Here is the full timeline:
22-Apr-16 Purchase
23-Apr-16 Mail Date
2-May-16 ATF Debit Date
11-Jan-17 Approval Date
About 8.5 months of processing time.
mattiooo
01-24-2017, 16:36
Just called the ATF for a status check on my form 4. It was approved on 1/11. Waiting for the stamp now. Here is the full timeline:
22-Apr-16 Purchase
23-Apr-16 Mail Date
2-May-16 ATF Debit Date
11-Jan-17 Approval Date
About 8.5 months of processing time.
Stamp arrived. Picking up tomorrow.
May 2016 form 4s starting to come back now.
paddywagon
01-26-2017, 21:33
May 2016 form 4s starting to come back now.
We just had a few roll in as well.
2x form 4's, check cleared date 10 May, received at dealer 18 Jan.
Ranger353
02-09-2017, 10:38
Called the NFA branch this morning and found my Form 4 was approved back 4 FEB, I am now on the final glide path. The check was cashed back on 24 MAY 16, so that is a little more than 8 months 3weeks for the process of a paper filed Trust Form 4. This unfortunately will be the last NFA item on the trust unless the new administration gets some balls and throws out rule 41F.
drift_g35
02-09-2017, 11:20
Called the NFA branch this morning and found my Form 4 was approved back 4 FEB, I am now on the final glide path. The check was cashed back on 24 MAY 16, so that is a little more than 8 months 3weeks for the process of a paper filed Trust Form 4. This unfortunately will be the last NFA item on the trust unless the new administration gets some balls and throws out rule 41F.
This makes me happy, I submitted May 27th... Bought the damn suppressor December 25....2015.
just called... still pending :(
They should be getting back to me soon. They cashed the check already so I guess that means they are ready to send the paperwork back.
Its fun to dream.
RCCrawler
02-10-2017, 09:21
I e-filed a form 1 in mid June, still waiting on that one.
Have a form 1 and three form 4's from June still in pending.
Ranger353
02-17-2017, 10:55
I thought there was a thread for NFA wait times but I can't find it. Please forgive me if this turns out to be a dup.
F1 Paper Trust for Suppressor mailed: 19 May 16.
Check cashed: 25 May 16
Approved: 4 Feb 17
Stamp Received: 13 Feb 17
Happy dance commenced immediately afterwards.
Sticky in this subsection...not titled wait times though
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/115513-Colorado-form-1-amp-4-transfer-data/page58
Ranger353
02-17-2017, 11:26
Sticky in this subsection...not titled wait times though
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/115513-Colorado-form-1-amp-4-transfer-data/page58
My apologies to the Mods. Can keep this thread or delete it, no concerns from me.
Thanks.
lostcolorado
02-17-2017, 20:25
I'm no longer In Colorado, but nevertheless........
Omega 9K
Form 4 Silencer
paper - Trust
05/10/2016 - purchased
02/17/2017 - stamp received
drift_g35
02-21-2017, 16:20
Finally...
Griffin Optimus
Form 4 Silencer
Paper - Trust
12/26/2015 - Purchased online
05/??/2016 - Received at dealer
05/28/2016 - Check Cashed
02/11/2017 - Approved
02/21/2017 - Stamp Received
Damn I'm so close. I called today on a 6-6 and was told we are only in the middle of May you have a while.
Form 4 sent in last Wed, check cashed today. I am thinking Dec if not Jan.
Dlesh123
02-23-2017, 15:39
Mailed form four ( transfer from individual to dealer in CO) Aug 4, 2016,
check cashed Aug 11,
paperwork back to original owner Feb 15, 2017,
at my dealer Feb 20, 2017. Just a little over 6 months, surprised me.
Now to start all over so I can have it.
Suspect it will take longer on this submission.
ATF received form 4, 3/1/17
Check cashed 3/3/17
Are they taking their time on these for a reason? Has anyone asked?
Are they taking their time on these for a reason? Has anyone asked?
There was a huge surge on paperwork for everyone trying to beat 41F. Huge as in massive.
What's it look like for Form 1's? Most posts are for F4. I've seen F1's be approved sooner than F4.
There was a huge surge on paperwork for everyone trying to beat 41F. Huge as in massive.
This is an example of what Hoser is talking about...
69326
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2016/07/13/silencer-shop-sends-2m-worth-of-nfa-stamp-applications/
Also after 41F went into effect there was a surge of applications because of the no law enforcement sign-off needed.
Damn they have a huge footprint in the nfa market! They must have made millions in a few days!
So much paperwork! If the person running the check was as quick as the guy cashing the checks. I would have my form 4 back within a month.
My buddy submitted 2 form 1's prior to 41f.
Submitted June 14th, approved on January 25th.
Second was submitted June 28th and nothing yet.
Im intrigued to see how much time that 2 week difference added to his wait time.
Great-Kazoo
02-24-2017, 19:42
Are they taking their time on these for a reason? Has anyone asked?
A .gov entity with a major rush prior tp 7/16
My buddy submitted 2 form 1's prior to 41f.
Submitted June 14th, approved on January 25th.
Second was submitted June 28th and nothing yet.
Im intrigued to see how much time that 2 week difference added to his wait time.
If they were EForms he should have it pretty soon. Eforms are way ahead of paper forms. I wonder how much things will increase when they are done with Eforms.
cableguy11
02-24-2017, 20:53
I have eform 1 submitted on 6/30 still no word...
Firehaus
02-24-2017, 22:01
I have eform 1 submitted on 6/30 still no word...
Id guess pretty soon. Mine was submitted 6/5 and approved on 1/4
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lurchnp81
02-27-2017, 20:26
Form 4 paper trust submitted 5/19/16...Received approval and picked up suppressor today 2/27/17
nogaroheli
03-01-2017, 12:46
Form 1 trust, efile, submitted on 6/25/16, approved 3/1/17
cableguy11
03-01-2017, 20:34
Form 1 trust, efile, submitted on 6/25/16, approved 3/1/17
Stupid question, but how do you know you are approved when you efile? I was notified via email that I was Submitted/In Process on 6-30-16..
Firehaus
03-01-2017, 20:43
Stupid question, but how do you know you are approved when you efile? I was notified via email that I was Submitted/In Process on 6-30-16..
You receive an email with your stamp.
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Great-Kazoo
03-01-2017, 21:17
Stupid question, but how do you know you are approved when you efile? I was notified via email that I was Submitted/In Process on 6-30-16..
You receive an email with your stamp.
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On the eforms web site. When you log in it will also show/ be moved to APPROVED not PENDING. One does not always receive en email notification. I had to do an Ask the experts which resulted in paperwork sent within a 2 hr window.
Mr Spooky
03-01-2017, 21:33
Check Cashed on 6-28-16. Form 4 trust. Hoping I get that call from Ark real soon. This also means i better get going on ordering 4 dead air brakes.
Firehaus
03-01-2017, 21:38
Check Cashed on 6-28-16. Form 4 trust. Hoping I get that call from Ark real soon. This also means i better get going on ordering 4 dead air brakes.
Im waiting on my beowulf can cashed on 6/5/16.
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cableguy11
03-01-2017, 21:42
On the eforms web site. When you log in it will also show/ be moved to APPROVED not PENDING. One does not always receive en email notification. I had to do an Ask the experts which resulted in paperwork sent within a 2 hr window.
For some reason I thought they took down the site...but still no luck "submitted/in process" I will just have to keep checking on it...but I should be very close! Thanks for the help..
For some reason I thought they took down the site...but still no luck "submitted/in process" I will just have to keep checking on it...but I should be very close! Thanks for the help..
Site was back up some time after the great overload of 2016. You just can no longer e-file.
I know I checked not long ago to see if my stamps were still out there. They were, and available for retrieval if need be - though already stored in several locations, backed up, and hard copy ...
stevenc23
03-03-2017, 10:51
Form 4 Trust
Check Cashed June 6
Approved Feb 27
Stamp Received March 13
This is to advise you that the status of your eForms submission with the subject Permit/Control number has changed to APPROVED
Permit/Control No: 2016xxxxxx
Your Reference No:
Submission Date: 2016-06-25-04:00
Form ID: ATF FORM 1 (5320.1) - APPLICATION TO MAKE AND REGISTER A FIREARM
APEXgunparts
03-06-2017, 12:33
Form 4 to an individual
Mailed in papers and payment, received by agent July 14th 2016
Approved / signed & stamped February 15th 2017
Documents arrived at the xferring dealers desk on March 1 2017
Odd thing, there were three form 4's sent in at the same time.
Great-Kazoo
03-06-2017, 13:28
Form 4 to an individual
Mailed in papers and payment July 5 2016
Approved / signed & stamped February 15th 2017
Documents arrived at the xferring dealers desk on March 1 2017
Odd thing, there were three form 4's sent in at the same time.
Interesting, considering i sent the last one in a week before you.
cableguy11
03-07-2017, 16:25
Form 1 submitted 6/30/16 electronically hit the bank on 7/1/16
Form 4 mailed 5/25/16 CC hit on 6/6/16
Form 4 mailed 6/29/2016 CC hit on 7/5/16
The form 4 from 5/25 arrived at dealer today, picking it up next week!
Form 1 submitted 6/30/16 electronically hit the bank on 7/1/16
Form 4 mailed 5/25/16 CC hit on 6/6/16
Form 4 mailed 6/29/2016 CC hit on 7/5/16
The form 4 from 5/25 arrived at dealer today, picking it up next week!
Nice. I can't remember (and don't have the exact date with me right now), but IIRC I submitted mine post rule change in late July/Early August, so I'm hoping I'll have everything by May (judging by the wait times posted here). *Fingers Crossed*
Firehaus
03-07-2017, 21:17
Form 4
Check cashed 6/5/16
Received 3/7/17
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RCCrawler
03-13-2017, 15:23
E-form 1
Submitted 6/29/2016
Received 3/13/2017
cableguy11
03-13-2017, 19:58
E-form 1
Submitted 6/29/2016
Received 3/13/2017
Awesome...getting closer!
Great-Kazoo
03-17-2017, 13:06
Submitted : 6/28/16
APPROVED: 3/17/17
Off to the shop, for some lathe time.
One Shot
03-18-2017, 21:06
Submitted : 6/28/16
APPROVED: 3/17/17
Off to the shop, for some lathe time.
Sweet! Form 4?
Great-Kazoo
03-18-2017, 22:42
Sweet! Form 4?
F1 suppressor
Submitted : 6/28/16
APPROVED: 3/17/17
Off to the shop, for some lathe time.
Sweet! Form 4?
F1 suppressor
Seemed pretty clear to me. :D
[Coffee]
2 each Form 4s using a trust
Both mailed June 1, 2016
Checks cleared my bank June 9, 2016
Both approved March 1, 2017
Both Forms received at Ark Tactical March 18, 2017.
And I picked them up today, the 18th.
9 calendar months and 18 days. Or 291 days total.
Just checking to see if anyone heard anything for those of us who didn't get submitted prior to July 1, 2016- I had heard over the weekend that anything submitted after 7/1/16 was now taking 12 months instead of 8-9 ish... Any truth to this? Why would they extend the time arbitrarily?
Just checking to see if anyone heard anything for those of us who didn't get submitted prior to July 1, 2016- I had heard over the weekend that anything submitted after 7/1/16 was now taking 12 months instead of 8-9 ish... Any truth to this? Why would they extend the time arbitrarily?
Well that's F-ed.
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Firehaus
03-27-2017, 12:33
Just checking to see if anyone heard anything for those of us who didn't get submitted prior to July 1, 2016- I had heard over the weekend that anything submitted after 7/1/16 was now taking 12 months instead of 8-9 ish... Any truth to this? Why would they extend the time arbitrarily?
I bet its longer than 12 months for anything submitted after 7/1. I hope its not, but ill be happy to get mine by end of summer.
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Just checking to see if anyone heard anything for those of us who didn't get submitted prior to July 1, 2016- I had heard over the weekend that anything submitted after 7/1/16 was now taking 12 months instead of 8-9 ish... Any truth to this? Why would they extend the time arbitrarily?
Source? Anywhere official or just "a guy?"
Not_A_Llama
03-28-2017, 12:11
I mean, given the 41F effective date of July 13, I think that's a pretty reasonable assumption.
Consider: https://www.instagram.com/p/BHx3qLFB52h/
Whether it'll be official or not... remember that the recording went from "don't call us before 6 months" to "don't call us before 8 months" not that long ago.
My buddy submitted 2 form 1's prior to 41f.
Submitted June 14th, approved on January 25th.
Second was submitted June 28th and nothing yet.
Im intrigued to see how much time that 2 week difference added to his wait time.
14 days later in submittal time has resulted in a 48 day and counting wait on the approval side. Pretty interesting to see.
I'm going to call them and put a fire under them. Worst that can happen is they hurry.
Great-Kazoo
03-28-2017, 18:01
14 days later in submittal time has resulted in a 48 day and counting wait on the approval side. Pretty interesting to see.
it was 1 day = an average of 2 months, based on the "web's" file time - approval date. What did people expect when there was a massive F1 efile the day befoe 41F was official.
An infringement as it were?
Source? Anywhere official or just "a guy?"
Employee at an unnamed gun store.
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Employee at an unnamed gun store.
I love that guy.
I love that guy.
Hahaha!
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I'm going to call them and put a fire under them. Worst that can happen is they burry it.
Fixed it for you.
APEXgunparts
03-29-2017, 15:30
A right delayed...
Are you thinking that NFA is protected by the second amendment?
Up until last year I assumed the same thing.
Then I ran across an article that explained how Federal courts have repeatedly ruled that NFA ownership is NOT protected by the US Constitution.
So, I ran that past the (Washington based) attorneys that represent (and are on the board) of FAIR Trade.
The response I received was in agreement with what I read and that this is nothing new, plus they let me know that ATF is very well aware of these court rulings.
It is worth doing a bit of reading on this subject.
Richard
The whole premise of the NFA is unconstitutional. More specifically, it's an assault to the BIR.
What's your point Richard?
[Coffee]
Great-Kazoo
03-29-2017, 16:54
The whole premise of the NFA is unconstitutional. More specifically, it's an assault to the BIR.
What's your point Richard?
[Coffee]
That it's not a Constitutional right. Merely a law enacted whose interpretation is left to the whim of politics and federal Law Enforcement.
APEXgunparts
03-29-2017, 18:58
That it's not a Constitutional right. Merely a law enacted whose interpretation is left to the whim of politics and federal Law Enforcement.
I often see NFA portrayed as protected under the 2nd Amendment, and people need to understand that isn't the case.
That argument has been tried in court many times, and it never proves to be true.
I was shocked when I made the discovery, and that is why I spoke to the attorneys for FAIR Trade.
Johanna Reeves is a TRUE BELIEVER in the 2nd Amendment and the private ownership of firearms, and this is the type of law she works in.
In fact NFA-TCA employs her firm for their needs.
She confirmed what I read, if you want to support NFA you have to make your arguments without the 2nd Amendment, as it won't stand up in court.
I am not saying that I agree, I am stating what is case law.
I would suggest that anyone who owns items covered by the NFA read up on the subject.
It may help you down the road if you have a better understanding of this aspect of the law.
Richard
cableguy11
04-11-2017, 20:21
Well hell! Got email today needed more information. Evidently when I was compressing my trust down to the 3MB limit, it only did one page! So had to email and upload a good copy! So you guys should be seeing some approvals from the 6/30 e-file showing up.
Form 1 submitted 6/30/16 electronically hit the bank on 7/1/16.
Damn I'm still waiting on a form 1 and 4 from both mailed
07/09
Cashed
07/15
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The NFA dealer on 68th and Wads was robbed the other day. Does anyone know whats going on with them? Did they lose any NFA items? I'm asking for a friend with a form waiting there.
Great-Kazoo
04-12-2017, 09:00
The NFA dealer on 68th and Wads was robbed the other day. Does anyone know whats going on with them? Did they lose any NFA items? I'm asking for a friend with a form waiting there.
reply #15
https://www.ar-15.co/threads/162322-Westminster-arms-gets-robbed
http://kdvr.com/2017/04/09/guns-stolen-in-smash-and-grab-at-gun-store-in-arvada/
cableguy11
04-13-2017, 10:24
Form 1 submitted 6/30/16 electronically hit the bank on 7/1/16.
Approved and received today!!
Update: So apparently staff at aforementioned unnamed LGS were mistaken. I called ATF last week and found out my suppressor should be done by late May (Submitted 10/17/16). They assured me 8 month wait still is in effect, despite being submitted after 7/13/16. [Beer]
Interesting I did mine before 7/13 form 1 and 4 and got nothing yet
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Great-Kazoo
04-17-2017, 19:28
Interesting I did mine before 7/13 form 1 and 4 and got nothing yet
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Part of that depends on the examiner's work load
Friend just texted me got a F4 for suppressor back yesterday 4/17 was submitted 07/9/16 paper.
I did an electronic F1 on the same day 07/09/16 havent seen anything yet. [Sofa][gohome]
cableguy11
04-18-2017, 23:31
Form 4 mailed 6/29/2016 CC hit on 7/5/16
I'm still waiting!
Form 4 mailed 6/29/2016 CC hit on 7/5/16
I'm still waiting!
Just picked up Form 4 stamp yesterday. Mailed 6/16/2016, CC charged 6/28/16, so basically 8.5-ish months.
Form 4 for a Silencer using a Trust
Mailed Form 4 stuff on June 22, 2016.
Check cleared my account June 28, 2016.
Form 4 approved April 15, 2017.
Ark Tactical received the Form 4 April 21, 2017.
I picked it up April 22, 2017.
305 days if I counted right..
cableguy11
05-05-2017, 11:02
Form 4 mailed 6/29/2016 CC hit on 7/5/16
I'm still waiting!
Stamp is in! Now gotta find the time to go and get it!!
nogaroheli
05-05-2017, 12:14
I had a form 4 submitted June 4 and nothing yet! I think I got overlooked.
I had a form 4 submitted June 4 and nothing yet! I think I got overlooked.
Did you call and check the status?
The last 45 days were chaos for dealers and the NFA Branch I am sure.
Chances are you are just in the depths of the last minute grind or you have a slow examiner.
I just pulled the trigger on a silencerco hybrid as a all in one can and now I'm waiting to pay it off before they send the paperwork.
Since I have sent one in already this year and did all the paperwork once. What is going to be different for me this time around? Will it be faster? Has anyone got some numbers back on the return time since the rule change?
Great-Kazoo
05-06-2017, 23:36
I just pulled the trigger on a silencerco hybrid as a all in one can and now I'm waiting to pay it off before they send the paperwork.
Since I have sent one in already this year and did all the paperwork once. What is going to be different for me this time around? Will it be faster? Has anyone got some numbers back on the return time since the rule change?
Nothing changes. Everyone goes through the same BGC they did on forms 1, 2, 3, etc. Everyone fills out the same forms as last time. UNLESS your last submitter was prior to 7/16 . If that's the case, there's a lot more paperwork than before. All that should be taken care of by the FFL you're using.
Wait time is still 6-8 months, the longer you take to pay it off the longer it takes to get an approval.
The real question is. Once you pay the can off, how long till you have the $200 for the feds. Depending on the time frame for payoff and tax stamp $$ . You might not get approval to mid 18.
nogaroheli
05-07-2017, 01:20
Did you call and check the status?
The last 45 days were chaos for dealers and the NFA Branch I am sure.
Chances are you are just in the depths of the last minute grind or you have a slow examiner.
I haven't yet. As soon as I get settled in I'll give them a ring and see where it is. I'm sure they were going through mountains of apps from that same time I submitted mine.
June 07, 2016 - Shipped Form 4 to ATF (09:00)
June 10, 2016 - Form 4 Delivered to ATF
June 14, 2016 - ATF Cashed Check
April 14, 2017 - ATF Requested Correction & I Sent Correction to ATF
April 19, 2017 - ATF Acknowledged Receipt of Correction
May 05, 2017 - FFL Received Tax Stamp from ATF & I Picked up Suppressor (17:17)
10 months, 28 days
or
332 Days, 8 hours, 17min
or
28,714,620 Seconds, but who's counting
Just got my F1 back today
Submited july 9th 2016 electrically
Just got my email today 05/11/2017
Form 4 Trust
Mailed early July 2016
Approved 19 May 2017
Still have two form 1s and a form 4 pending even though they were in the same envelope...
Batteriesnare
06-03-2017, 11:05
Called yesterday for multiple form 4s that went pending on 18 July. Still pending, was told approval was likely toward the end of the month.
nogaroheli
06-03-2017, 16:27
The ATF said my last form 4 was approved by them on March 9. I'm trying to wait patiently for the shop to receive the stamp, but I'm not doing a great job.
nogaroheli
06-03-2017, 17:38
March 9th ???? Something is wrong, stop being patient. Your shop maybe screwing you over or the ATF screwed up. I wouldnt wait patiently any more.
Hmm, I called the shop and the guy who answered told me "that's how it goes, just keep waiting". I'll call one of the main guys there on Monday. Thanks for the help! As soon as I learn this form 4 process well I'll be done with it, ugh.
Efile Form 1 SBR submitted 7/11/16
Approved: 6/1/17
Form 4 mailed early July 2016 Approved June 3rd still waiting to hear dealer has the stamp
Edit dealer got stamp for form June 14
Still have a form 1 pending mailed the same time as the form 4....
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Form 4 individual submitted end of July 2016, approved May 17, 2017, no stamp received yet.
ETA... seller received stamp today. Hoping to pick it up Monday along with a new ARC 10 round magazine.
Picked up my stamp, and suppresor today. Paperwork was apparently sent to the wrong address, returned to the ATF, and resent to the correct address. Should have had the stamp June 5th.
Still have a form 1 pending was mailed in July 10th.
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DocMedic
06-23-2017, 18:23
Form 4 sent on JULY 12 2016
Stamped Approved on JUNE 13 2017
Picked it up from the mail today JUNE 23 2017
electronman1729
08-07-2017, 21:03
Anybody receive any stamps after 41f yet?
I submitted end of July 2016, got my stamp beginning of June 2017. After 41f
yankeefan98121
08-26-2017, 09:08
Yes, I have, well my grubby little fingers has yet to touch it.
Suppressor, dealer had in stock, F4 trust
Check cashed 8/9/16
Approved 8/18/17
Still waiting on delivery of stamp
Great-Kazoo
08-26-2017, 09:11
Yes, I have, well my grubby little fingers has yet to touch it.
Suppressor, dealer had in stock, F4 trust
Check cashed 8/9/16
Approved 8/18/17
Still waiting on delivery of stamp
The paperwork dealer receives is the stamp, which is the form you filled out.
I am still waiting for stamps from Dec 2016 and January 2017. I thought they were getting off their asses and getting to work to make it faster?
I am still waiting for stamps from Dec 2016 and January 2017. I thought they were getting off their asses and getting to work to make it faster?
They had a huge pile of forms to dig out from underneath.
It just takes time. Sometimes too much time, but it is what it is.
Form 1
Trust
SBR
Submitted 1-13-15
Approved 2-25-15
Examiner: Jason Bowers
damn DRAFT watermark on stamp. Now I have to contact them and the site is down right now for daily maintenance!! Arrgghh.
Can you believe some of us were whining about broken PDF files and temporary site outages?
[facepalm]
yankeefan98121
08-28-2017, 08:30
The paperwork dealer receives is the stamp, which is the form you filled out.
Right, it should have said, dealer has yet to receive the stamp. I read somewhere on the interweb (so it HAS to be true), the ATF were/are sending out stamps on certain days...I don't know what the difference would be. Postage cost is the same whether you send it out today or next week
Great-Kazoo
08-28-2017, 11:07
Right, it should have said, dealer has yet to receive the stamp. I read somewhere on the interweb (so it HAS to be true), the ATF were/are sending out stamps on certain days...I don't know what the difference would be. Postage cost is the same whether you send it out today or next week
They bulk mail when X is on their desk.
mattiooo
08-28-2017, 21:20
Right, it should have said, dealer has yet to receive the stamp. I read somewhere on the interweb (so it HAS to be true), the ATF were/are sending out stamps on certain days...I don't know what the difference would be. Postage cost is the same whether you send it out today or next week
There are presort rates available for first class mail. That requires a certain minimum number of pieces, usually 250. The better their saturation, the better their presort rate is. For the amount of mail they send, I can see them batching it.
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yankeefan98121
08-29-2017, 08:32
Dealer just called, stamp arrived. Just gotta make it up to Johnstown for pickup
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Great-Kazoo
08-29-2017, 23:00
Dealer just called, stamp arrived. Just gotta make it up to Johnstown for pickup
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Call me when you're up here. Take it for a road test, down the street from me.
Submitted Aug 14th, 2016 (Per ATF records)
Form completed Aug 29th, 2017. Over 1 year, but I now have Suppressor in hand (er, in safe).
Submitted Aug 14th, 2016 (Per ATF records)
Form completed Aug 29th, 2017. Over 1 year, but I now have Suppressor in hand (er, in safe).
Trust I assume?
Trust I assume?
Yep. At the time I lived in Denver, so there was no way I'd get CLEO sign-off... and then because I was among the first through that FFL post-7/1 rule change, they had the wrong paperwork submitted so I needed to re-submit the form. Frustrating to wait so long, but it's finally done.
Yep. At the time I lived in Denver, so there was no way I'd get CLEO sign-off... and then because I was among the first through that FFL post-7/1 rule change, they had the wrong paperwork submitted so I needed to re-submit the form. Frustrating to wait so long, but it's finally done.
Good to hear they're finally starting to get past July form 4s with a trust. I called the NFA branch the other week and they said they were still on July for trusts. But I still have a ways to go as mine was submitted in Jan.
Submitted 10 mar 17, signed off 14 sept 17, got the stamps and items today. This was for an individual not a trust
We are seeing Jan-March 2017 forms coming in now.
Not that it matters but I'd like to know why the trust forms are so far behind.
electronman1729
09-30-2017, 22:20
Wish this is how stamps are approved
https://www.instagram.com/p/BUh4hL9Fg3u/?taken-by=kygunco
SilencerCo Suppressor
Efile Jan 17, 2017
Approved Sept 23, 2017
Picked up Sept 27, 2017
lostcolorado
10-11-2017, 22:08
FN PS90
Form 1 SBR
paper - individual
02/15/2017 submit
03/13/2017 check cashed
09/27/2017 approved
09/30/2017 received
I heard they are still in Sept Oct paperwork from last year.
FN PS90
Form 1 SBR
paper - individual
02/15/2017 submit
03/13/2017 check cashed
09/27/2017 approved
09/30/2017 received
It's a FN P90 now right ?
cfortune
10-13-2017, 15:49
This isn't really conclusive data since it is end user generated but it seems individual files are coming in significantly faster than trusts. Both on form 1 and 4s.
72254
I'm on day 227 for two form 4s and 206 for two form 1s. All on a trust. Looking at this graph, it could be next to never when I see my stamps. Only a handful of reported trust based submissions have been approved lately :(.
APEXgunparts
10-17-2017, 10:26
At the NFA-TCA meeting that was held last week on the Knob Creek range the good news was that processing times on Form 4's are dropping.
They also talked about the fast process for the dealer to dealer transfers.
SO, case in point, I was contacted yesterday that I have just received an approval for a gun that was submitted at the end of February (possibly the beginning of March) of 2017.
It was an individual transfer, not a trust.
Great-Kazoo
10-17-2017, 17:48
This isn't really conclusive data since it is end user generated but it seems individual files are coming in significantly faster than trusts. Both on form 1 and 4s.
72254
I'm on day 227 for two form 4s and 206 for two form 1s. All on a trust. Looking at this graph, it could be next to never when I see my stamps. Only a handful of reported trust based submissions have been approved lately :(.
That's due to trust having more than 1 person listed / BGC time frame.
cfortune
10-17-2017, 19:19
That's due to trust having more than 1 person listed / BGC time frame.
Mine doesn't :(
lostcolorado
10-17-2017, 19:30
It's a FN P90 now right ?
:)
72307
grubby669
10-17-2017, 21:16
Check cashed 3/10/17
Approved 10/11/17
Stamp in hand 10/28/17
Form 4 individual
Form 4 Silencer Individual
Mailed: 11/30/2016
Tax charged to my account: 12/8/2016
Approved: 10/14/2017
Form 4 received at FFL: 10/26/2017
It's in my hands after 330 days!!
Anyone do a Form 1 trust recently?
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Can anyone point me in the direction to do a SBR either through LLC or individual?
A guy filled out a form 4 in june and got a response in November. A record time.
Anyone do a Form 1 trust recently?
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I'm still waiting on mine filed/charged in Feb 2017.
cfortune
12-18-2017, 19:53
Just got two Form 1's on a trust back. Card was charged mid March 2016, approved 12-5-17, stamps showed up today, 12-18-17. Sorry I don't have an exact date, my online bank records don't go far enough back to see the actual day lol. Still waiting on two Form 4's that were cashed 20 days prior to these Form 1's.
My Trust Form 4 check cashed 12/29/16.
What a crock of shite.
My Trust Form 4 check cashed 12/29/16.
What a crock of shite.
Dito, I have a Jan form 4 trust and Feb form 1 trust I'm waiting on. How did you manage to get a march one thru already?! Lucky!
cfortune
12-19-2017, 11:25
Dito, I have a Jan form 4 trust and Feb form 1 trust I'm waiting on. How did you manage to get a march one thru already?! Lucky!I'm the only responsible person for my trust. Maybe that sped stuff up for me? Still no individual wait time but I guess I'll consider myself lucky.
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Acetylcholine
12-20-2017, 22:41
Gun trust Form 1 (two responsible persons)
Submitted 2/27
Check cashed 3/10
Approved and Stamp in my mailbox Dec 11th at noon.
Shooting the new SBR at the range at 12:17.
Still waiting on two Form 4’s submitted 2/27
Form 4 Trust (2 person) - first NFA item
Sent early November 2016
Card charged 11/15/16
Approved 11/08/17
Stamp received 12/22/17
Picked up 12/23/17
Called once in Oct before it was approved and once in Nov after it was approved. That was brutal, I'm definitely more libertarian than ever!
cfortune
12-30-2017, 01:09
Just got word that my two Form 4s on a single person trust came back today. Charged mid February. Going to pick them up tomorrow.
Just got word that my two Form 4s on a single person trust came back today. Charged mid February. Going to pick them up tomorrow.
Mine too, sent in on 12 Feb.
Just got word that my two Form 4s on a single person trust came back today. Charged mid February. Going to pick them up tomorrow.
What is going on, I still haven't heard anything about my form 4 from jan 21. [Rant1]
Teufelhund
01-02-2018, 14:09
Just got word that my two Form 4s on a single person trust came back today. Charged mid February. Going to pick them up tomorrow.
Sweet. Submitted mine in mid-March. Must be getting close.
Trust form 1 and form 4. Sent 4-26-17, received the SBR stamp 1-16-18
Phuuuuuuuuuuuck! They said it was going to be 9 months no matter what. And its been 12-16 and 2-17. They said it was received 3-17 and 6-17... so 9 months from then. Where is their multi national customer service complaint number?
I have a bone to pick with how lazy they are and how they have my money they should get off their fat asses and push the paperwork through already.
Phuuuuuuuuuuuck! They said it was going to be 9 months no matter what. And its been 12-16 and 2-17. They said it was received 3-17 and 6-17... so 9 months from then. Where is their multi national customer service complaint number?
I have a bone to pick with how lazy they are and how they have my money they should get off their fat asses and push the paperwork through already.
Lighten up Francis.
colorider
01-17-2018, 10:07
Probably have even longer delays if the Gubmint shuts down on Friday. I have 2 stamps I'm waiting for that should be done any time.
Phuuuuuuuuuuuck! They said it was going to be 9 months no matter what. And its been 12-16 and 2-17. They said it was received 3-17 and 6-17... so 9 months from then. Where is their multi national customer service complaint number?
I have a bone to pick with how lazy they are and how they have my money they should get off their fat asses and push the paperwork through already.
You're not the only one that's waited over 365 days...
386 since check cashed...
I feel your pain brother.
Lighten up Francis.
I don't get the reference. But if it ended in a hug I could use one.
I don't get the reference. But if it ended in a hug I could use one.
Stripes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6whjduJcFw
Stripes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6whjduJcFw
Which came first?
Stripes or Deadpool?
I guess it didn't end in a hug. Discount Robert De Niro.
Form 4 individual paper
Sent 7/29/17
Check cashed 8/7/17
Approved 1/8/18
Stamp 1/17/18
173 days total
Two - Form 4 Trust
Sent 1/4/17 through Silencershop Kiosk
Checks cashed notice received 1/11/17
Approved 1/5/18
Stamps received 1/17/18
Dlesh123
02-13-2018, 06:50
Form 4 Trust (paper) One responsible person on trust
Sent 2/24/17
Check cashed 3/3/17
Small paperwork correction requested 1/29/18 (3 day window allowed to correct)
Approved 2/2/18
Tax stamp received 2/12/18
Trust form 1 and form 4. Sent 4-26-17, received the SBR stamp 1-16-18
Received the muffler yesterday. Both forms were signed the same day, but the date across the stamp were 1 month apart.
Paperwork error. I have to sign something or something. Its taken a year to figure it out.
Paperwork error. I have to sign something or something. Its taken a year to figure it out.
Dont drag your feet getting it corrected. You only have 30 days from the correction notice date.
Trust Form 4 check cashed late Jan 2017. ATF deficiency letter mailed out Jan 16 and received from dealer Feb 1, sent back to the ATF asap. Approved on Feb 12 and stamp received at dealer Feb 20.
Form 4 Silencer on a Trust (me and wife)
Purchased 10-12-16
Form 4 mailed 12-22-16
Check cashed 12-27-16
Stamp Approved 1-2-18 D. Wood
Dealer notified 2-7-18
Picked up 2-24-18
372 days from cashed to approved
mattiooo
02-24-2018, 23:10
372 days from cashed to approved
Holy crap! That’s brutal, Brutal.
He didn't have me sign anything. I went back and there was 3 signatures needed. I didn't date one of them so I hope its not an issue?
Great-Kazoo
02-25-2018, 09:17
He didn't have me sign anything. I went back and there was 3 signatures needed. I didn't date one of them so I hope its not an issue?
Once you sign where necessary it's gtg. They usually put those back in the place they were in the approval process.
bobbyfairbanks
02-25-2018, 10:13
Form 4 Silencer on a Trust (me and wife)
Purchased 10-12-16
Form 4 mailed 12-22-16
Check cashed 12-27-16
Stamp Approved 1-2-18 D. Wood
Dealer notified 2-7-18
Picked up 2-24-18
372 days from cashed to approved
All this just to collect a tax
Shooter45
02-28-2018, 21:00
Taling to ATF a while ago they said the major delay in filing under a trust is the FBI. After the ATF receives the Form 4 then have to send it to the FBI, who doesn't know what to do with it so they sit on it. Then they mail it back to the ATF at some point and it's approved.
Sent the paperwork in June 29, 2017
Approved February 27, 2018
Received the stamp March 15, 2018
Using the silencer shop was worth the $5. The first one that I did with regular paperwork was from December until? Its still in ATF limbo. And it took a year to figure out the paperwork wasn't signed. So it could be any day.
electronman1729
03-19-2018, 19:36
Form 1 SBR Trust 1 Responsible Person
via Silencer Shop
Galil SAR
Submitted: 8-15-17
Approved: 3-13-18
Received: 3-19-18
stevenc23
03-19-2018, 21:25
Form 4 Trust - One person
Check cashed 7/25/17
Approved 3/1
Stamp at FFL 3/12/18
Dlesh123
03-27-2018, 18:20
Transfer times are getting better
Form 4 Trust (paper), one responsible person
Sent 8/1/17,
Check cashed 8/8/17
Approved 3/7/18
Stamp at FFL 3/19/18
Check cashed 9/05/17
Still waiting....
Teufelhund
03-27-2018, 20:23
Form 4 Paper Trust, only myself as trustee
Mailed 3/13/2017
CC Charged 3/17/2017
Stamp Received 3/24/2018
Colorado Scott
04-19-2018, 21:08
Form 4 - Trust
Mailed out 8/4/2017
ATF Approval 3/28/2018
At FFL 4/14/2018
We are seeing Form 4s for trusts running 7-8 months right now.
Form 1s about the same.
Form 1 Short Barrel Shotgun
Individual
Mailed November 21, 2017
Received approved in todays mail, May 10, 2018.
5 months 19 days.
Time to sharpen up the hacksaw.
Form 1 SBR
Individual
Mailed 2/19/18
Check cashed 3/2/18
Stamp in hand 7/11/18
142 days or 4 months, 22 days.
Form 4 individual mailed 1/11/18 check cashed 2/13/18 and still waiting on approval..
Individual through silencer ship kiosk. Submitted 1/10/18 received 7/12/18
Form 4 Individual, done through Silencer Shop's kiosk for the first time. Ordered 1/10/18, Cashed 2/13/18, Stamp 8/9/18, Stamp received 8/18/18.
We have been seeing Dec-Feb submissions coming back.
Rucker61
09-18-2018, 13:16
Form 4 individual through Silencershop kiosk.
Check cashed 3/1/2018
Tax stamp picked up 9/18/2018.
Form 4 can
Trust
Mailed 9-9-2018
Certified Priority 2-day
Card charged 9-18-2018
Silencerco BOGO from DLI purch 7-13-18 (JIT)
Registered for free can 7-14-18
FINALLY got my confirmation on the free can 9-4-18
Had a couple December and Feb forms come back last week.
MileHighShooting
09-25-2018, 09:24
We just received Jan/Feb Form 4's
colorider
09-25-2018, 14:12
My buddy is still waiting for 2 form 4s submitted last sept 12th. They have been stuck at the FBI for months. Strange.
SouthPaw
09-25-2018, 14:59
Form 4 can
Trust
Mailed 9-9-2018
Certified Priority 2-day
Card charged 9-18-2018
Silencerco BOGO from DLI purch 7-13-18 (JIT)
Registered for free can 7-14-18
FINALLY got my confirmation on the free can 9-4-18
Got my confirmation for my free can as well this week. Now to wait another four months before they process/ship it.
Does anyone ever check to see the status? Is it even worth it? I had an sbr through kiosk submitted in January and got it back like June then submitted a sbs in February and nothing yet. Just wanted to make sure everything is in process I know each case is completely different.
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