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Everytime someone calls and checks, it takes them away from running checks...
Got my confirmation for my free can as well this week. Now to wait another four months before they process/ship it.
Which is horseshit that they are ending up taking about as long as the actual fking NFA submission.
Dlesh123
10-03-2018, 07:35
Does anyone ever check to see the status? Is it even worth it? I had an sbr through kiosk submitted in January and got it back like June then submitted a sbs in February and nothing yet. Just wanted to make sure everything is in process I know each case is completely different.
Yes, I have called them on a couple items
. They basically will only tell you if it is pending or not. Will tell you the timeframe of applications they are working on, but that is all I could get from them.
I have been told several things when calling for status check. When you call you get a clerk type person that is getting information from their computer. You do not talk to a person actually processing Forms. The status person can tell that it has been received, if it is pending, if it approved, if it is approved pending correction, if it has been sent to be mailed out as approved or sent for correction. They can give you dates for those things. They can tell you all those things if it is in the computer. They can also tell you how to get a Official Copy of an Approved Form that they show as being Approved and mailed 3 months ago. They can answer some other procedural questions too. Talking to these guys does not interrupt the flow of processing the Forms.
Anything else they can transfer your call to someone that is actually working on processing the Forms. It can be someone handling your specific Form or someone not handling your Form. I think the processor people are called Examiners. Talking to an Examiner takes their time away from processing forms.
The last time I called them was about 2 years ago so this may all be out of date.
grubby669
10-05-2018, 22:38
Form 4 individual
Cash date: 3-27-18
Approved date: 10-4-18
Cash date: 3-27-18
Approved date: 10-4-18
Form 1 or 4?
Trust or individual?
travisty4
10-06-2018, 07:55
Form 4 trust with 2 people
Check cashed 2/6/18
Approved 8/10/18
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grubby669
10-06-2018, 08:06
Form 1 or 4?
Trust or individual?
edited my original post
eforms (form 1) is back online...
Still have to mail in prints, and upload scanned (signed) RPQ's. Prints have to be mailed with the cover sheet form the application within 10 days of filing online.
Haven't really dug into it - I had one still in draft I never submitted.
Seems a bit of a hassle over just mailing the damn things.
Special Instructions for Individuals, Trusts and Legal Entities
FILING AS AN INDIVIDUAL
The applicant must attach a digital photo in the Photo function on the Responsible Person tab.
The applicant must also provide his or her fingerprints on Form FD-258. The fingerprints will be submitted separately from the application. Upon submission of the application, the eForms system will email a cover sheet to the applicant. The cover sheet is to be printed as it will provide the control number of the transaction and the address where to send the fingerprint cards. The cover sheet and fingerprint cards MUST be mailed to the NFA Division within 10 business days of filing the application.
FILING AS A TRUST OR OTHER LEGAL ENTITY
In addition to providing the documentation of the existence of the trust or other legal entity, the applicant must electronically provide a photograph and completed ATF Form 5320.23, NFA Responsible Person Questionnaire (RPQ), for each responsible person (see definition 1.e on the instruction page) of the trust or legal entity. When filed via eForms, when in the Responsible Person function, the applicant will identify each responsible person and attach the photograph and a scanned, signed RPQ from that person. All photographs and RPQ forms must be attached to the application prior to submission.
The fingerprints for each responsible person must also be submitted. As for an individual applicant, the fingerprint cards must be sent to the NFA Division. The eForms system will email a cover sheet to the applicant listing the names of the responsible persons and is to be printed. The cover sheet and the fingerprint cards for all RP’s MUST be mailed in one batch to the NFA Division within 10 days of filing the application.
Please note that the F 5320.23, NFA RPQ, form is available in a fillable version on the ATF website (www.atf.gov). The form can be completed and printed for signature and scanning.
im assuming approved date is the day it was approved - whats the normal wait for them to send it back to your shop?
im assuming approved date is the day it was approved - whats the normal wait for them to send it back to your shop?
Yes.
It normally takes 1-3 weeks to get it from your examiners desk, to the mailroom, to your dealer.
Rucker61
10-14-2018, 14:35
SBR Form 1 SS Kiosk
Check cashed 10/11/18
Feb and March 2018 submissions coming back now.
Just picked up 2 on Tuesday , 16 Oct , at 3 weeks shy of 12 month's . Paper individual form 4's
SBR Form 1 paper check cashed 7/19/18, approved 11/27/18 - 131 days
Suppressor Form 4 paper check cashed 4/16/18, approved 11/15/18 - 213 days
SouthPaw
12-17-2018, 17:13
Individual Form 4 submitted 7/16/18
Approved: TBD (fingers crossed for the next couple of weeks!)
E-file 4 form 1's
submitted 11/1/2018
prints delivered 11/5/2018
one approved on 11/14/2018
other three approved 11/21/2018
three weeks from start to finish for all 4
Maybe I should finish an SBR in limbo... I had one sitting in draft before 41F, still there and I probably just need to upload prints and photos and 5320.23...
Form 4
Individual
Purchase 2/18/18
Cashed 3/4/18 if I remember correctly
Approved 12/10/18
To Dealer 12/21/18
electronman1729
12-26-2018, 20:38
Form 4 Through Silencer Shop - Trust - 1 Responsible Person
SBR
Sig 556
submitted 12/26/2018
We will see how long the check takes to clear.
electronman1729
12-26-2018, 20:56
Form 4 Through Silencer Shop - Trust - 1 Responsible Person
Suppressor
Omega 9k
Check Cashed: 9/19/2018
SouthPaw
01-08-2019, 22:47
I heard this .gov shutdown could affect wait times...
Little Dutch
01-08-2019, 23:21
I have not called personally, but the NFA reddit is swamped with people claiming they have. They are reporting that the NFA is only processing forms for government and police, regular Plebs form 4 and form 1 paperwork is not being processed during the shutdown. It's not "essential". Checks are still being cashed, of course. The money is handled by a local bank and isn't directly attached to the ATF in any real way.
I ordered 2 suppressors from TBAC back in the middle of January 2018. TBAC took 13 weeks to get the things sent to my local dealer (and they messed up my order to boot). Both checks were cashed May 4. The ATF had just started processing early May forms when the shutdown happened. I will be over 1 year from order to in hand for these. It's stupid.
Edit to add - people were generally reporting 236 to 244 days from check cashed to approved right before the gvt shutdown.
SouthPaw
01-09-2019, 08:04
I have not called personally, but the NFA reddit is swamped with people claiming they have. They are reporting that the NFA is only processing forms for government and police, regular Plebs form 4 and form 1 paperwork is not being processed during the shutdown. It's not "essential". Checks are still being cashed, of course. The money is handled by a local bank and isn't directly attached to the ATF in any real way.
I ordered 2 suppressors from TBAC back in the middle of January 2018. TBAC took 13 weeks to get the things sent to my local dealer (and they messed up my order to boot). Both checks were cashed May 4. The ATF had just started processing early May forms when the shutdown happened. I will be over 1 year from order to in hand for these. It's stupid.
Edit to add - people were generally reporting 236 to 244 days from check cashed to approved right before the gvt shutdown.
Did you file with a trust or as an individual?
I just got off the phone with the Silencer Shop. They claim the ATF is dead in the water. I was going to purchase I can, but they didn't have exactly what I wanted in stock. I was going to compromise, but he talked me out of it since nothing is happening at ATF anyway.
Well, there goes my hope that my cans would be out of jail by hunting this year.
electronman1729
01-09-2019, 14:03
Rumor has it, if the ATF fails to respond and approve a tax stamp in less than three days, a transfer can happen.
Little Dutch
01-09-2019, 14:28
Did you file with a trust or as an individual?
Those two were submitted as individual.
Its a small price to pay for MAGA. I had a can in jail for over a year for no reason at all. Just normal speed for swamp things.
Little Dutch
01-10-2019, 17:20
Update on mine.
2 suppressors from TBAC. Checks cashed May 4. Approved Dec 13, Mailed Dec 17. Dealer just called me today to say they had them.
ETA - Crap. I just checked. I placed my order on 1/11/18. 1 day short of 1 year to get these in hand. Ridiculous.
Forms mailed late April 2018.
Stamp showed up mid December 2018.
Trust with one person.
SouthPaw
01-21-2019, 13:44
I emailed SilencerCO to see where I was for my BOGO suppressor and this is the response I received:
We are currently working on manufacturing these suppressors. We do have over 11,000 registrations to go through so it will take us longer than expected. However, I can confirm your registration and everything looks good. You are good to go on your end. We have started to ship these back in October and plan to continue shipping these out through the next couple months once the government shut down is over. The ATF is not currently processing forms. At this time we are unable to send cans out to dealers. However, once this ends, they will be shipping out in much larger batches.
I wasn't sure what to believe if they were still processing forms or not but I think this seals it. Build the damn wall already [Rant1][LOL]
Form mailed 24 Dec 18
Check cashed on 4 Jan 19
The wait begins, I expect end of Aug.
electronman1729
02-02-2019, 21:26
Has anyone gotten a stamp in the last week?
Silencer by an Individual.
Form 4 mailed May 3, 2018.
Money charged to my card May 15, 2018.
Approved January 31, 2019
Picked up my Silencer February 6, 2019.
279 days or 9 months, 3 days.
electronman1729
02-07-2019, 20:10
Form 4 Through Silencer Shop - Trust - 1 Responsible Person
SBR
Sig 556
submitted 12/26/2018
We will see how long the check takes to clear.
Update
Check Cashed 2/6/2019.
yankeefan98121
02-07-2019, 21:20
idk when I submitted (two weeks maybe), had 2 cc charges today. Still waiting on a 3rd, though you'd think it would have charged today as well....oh well
Form 4, (3) cans in jail, trust - 2 responsible person
snichols28
02-20-2019, 22:20
E-Form Individual Form 1 (SBR)
Submitted: 01/31/19
Approved with ATF emailing me a PDF of the complete form 1 with tax stamp on it: 02/20/19
Only 20 days! Boom.
yankeefan98121
02-25-2019, 17:32
First two cleared 2/07, third payment cleared 2/23
Almost 3 weeks difference and the forms were submitted the same time [ROFL3]
Probably will be lucky to get the stamps by Feb 2020 [Jail]
bobbyfairbanks
03-09-2019, 19:04
I?ve had a can pending for 18 months. I?ve never called before but I?m calling on Monday.
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Little Dutch
03-14-2019, 10:52
I?ve had a can pending for 18 months. I?ve never called before but I?m calling on Monday.
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Did you call? Curious how it went.
E-Form Individual Form 1 (Suppressor)
Submitted: 03/01/19
Approved: 3/14/19
bobbyfairbanks
03-14-2019, 11:26
Yes sorry. I called they said I don?t know. Then later on that day the ffl called me and said come pick up. About 16 months
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Called ATF today to check Form 4 (individual) status and found out...I was approved today! Hope to get stamp and out of jail next week. 291 days since check cashed.
Rucker61
04-04-2019, 20:03
Does anyone know what the wait times were like prior to the Hughes Amendment?
Does anyone know what the wait times were like prior to the Hughes Amendment?
As in the 1986 MG ban?
Rucker61
04-05-2019, 06:16
As in the 1986 MG ban?
Yes, back when things had worked the same way for 50 years.
electronman1729
04-25-2019, 19:02
E-Form Individual Form 1
Submitted: 04/16/19
Cards Sent: 04/22/19
We are seeing 10-11 months for form 4s right now.
SouthPaw
05-02-2019, 08:55
We are seeing 10-11 months for form 4s right now.
That sounds about right since I have one pending from 7/18.
We are seeing 10-11 months for form 4s right now.
Bummer, was hoping mine would be ready for hunting this year.
SouthPaw
05-05-2019, 21:06
Got my confirmation for my free can as well this week. Now to wait another four months before they process/ship it.
Form 4 - Individual
Submitted 7/04/18
Approved 4/24/19
Still no word on my free can.
electronman1729
05-07-2019, 21:17
We are seeing 10-11 months for form 4s right now.
Damn, I just bought another suppressor last week.
Given the wait times do you think there could be a drop in transferable machine gun prices as no one will want to wait?
Damn, I just bought another suppressor last week.
Given the wait times do you think there could be a drop in transferable machine gun prices as no one will want to wait?
The Machine Gun market is soft right now. Usually the people buying machine guns and sears are not new to the NFA process and much more patient than the average dude buying his first NFA item.
Rucker61
05-08-2019, 09:14
We are seeing 10-11 months for form 4s right now.
With these kind of wait times I'm tempted to buy some tools from Harbor Freight and e-File some Form 1s
electronman1729
05-17-2019, 07:36
E-Form Individual Form 1
Submitted: 04/16/19
Cards Sent: 04/22/19
Approved 5-16
Dlesh123
05-21-2019, 20:53
Form 4 individual
Checked cashed July 11, 2018
Approved May 9, 2019
With these kind of wait times I'm tempted to buy some tools from Harbor Freight and e-File some Form 1s
I'm feeling the same. I'm waiting on my very first NFA items and while I mostly don't think about it, I'm starting to get anxious. Just had checks cashed in November of last year and was hoping to get approved before hunting. Seems like the gov shut down allowed everything down enough that I don't think it's going to happen.
Great-Kazoo
06-14-2019, 22:10
With these kind of wait times I'm tempted to buy some tools from Harbor Freight and e-File some Form 1s
I'm seeing 2-3 week turn around on an Individual (Trust) F1 based on few forums. However you have 2-3 other people on that trust and you'll be in it for a few months +
Rucker61
06-24-2019, 18:20
SBR Form 1 SS Kiosk
Check cashed 10/11/18
Tax stamp delivered 6/24/19
Tax stamp delivered 6/24/19
That makes me super excited. I put in for my stamp about a month after you did.
KevDen2005
06-25-2019, 00:57
Form 1 Trust - E Forms
Submitted 06-21
Fingerprint Cards sent via mail 06-24
ETA: Approved 7-12
SouthPaw
06-25-2019, 08:43
My dealer just received my free can from the SiCo BOGO yesterday.
asystejs
07-07-2019, 18:25
Form 4 Trust
Mailed on 2018-06-26
Check Cashed on 2018-07-18
Tax Stamp at Dealer 2019-07-05, 352 days since check cashed
Form 1 individual
Mailed October 22, 2018
Cash transferred October 30, 2019
Received approved Form with Stamp July 19, 2019.
9 months or 270 days
We are seeing form 4s come back right around 50-52 weeks right now for trusts and individuals.
Form 1 individual
Mailed October 22, 2018
Cash transferred October 30, 2019
Received approved Form with Stamp July 19, 2019.
9 months or 270 days
Kind of odd you received the stamp this month but they aren?t going to take your money for another three months.
Kind of odd you received the stamp this month but they aren?t going to take your money for another three months.
Oops. That should be October 30, 2018.
Maybe if they didn't get their money until after they sent the stamp out the might be a little quicker. [ROFL1]
ChickNorris
07-22-2019, 11:49
Maybe if they didn't get their money until after they sent the stamp out the might be a little quicker. [ROFL1]
Truth ^^^
lostcolorado
07-27-2019, 19:38
TPM sd 12” suppressor
07/16/2018 - purchased
Form 4 - individual
09/19/2018 - check cashed
07/15/2019 - approved
07/27/2019 - received
311 days
Little Dutch
08-20-2019, 15:44
Just got the call on one of 3 suppressors still in NFA jail from 2018.
Individual
Ordered 8/21/18
Arrived at FFL 9/1/18
Check Cashed 9/22/18
Approved 9/7/19
In hand 8/20/19
319 days from pending to approved.
332 days from pending to in-hand.
364 days from ordering to in-hand.
Edited to add approval date
electronman1729
08-20-2019, 18:25
Just got the call on one of 3 suppressors still in NFA jail from 2018.
Individual
Ordered 8/21/18
Arrived at FFL 9/1/18
Check Cashed 9/22/18
Approved (I haven't seen the paperwork yet)
In hand 8/20/19
332 days from "pending" (check cashed)
364 days from ordering
So how do you know you were approved?
Little Dutch
08-20-2019, 21:53
The FFL that was holding it for me called me, told me to come pick it up.
electronman1729
09-03-2019, 16:52
Form 4 Through Silencer Shop - Trust - 1 Responsible Person
Suppressor
Omega 9k
Check Cashed: 9/19/2018
Approved 8-23
Stamp in hand 9-3
https://i.imgur.com/s7IMB9Xl.jpg
Form mailed 24 Dec 18
Check cashed on 4 Jan 19
The wait begins, I expect end of Aug.
I was a week off, approved on the 7th and it my fat hands now.
Form mailed 24 Dec 18
Check cashed on 4 Jan 19
The wait begins, I expect end of Aug.
I was a week off, approved on the 7th and it my fat hands now.
Good golly, government efficiency on display. Maybe the feds should manage our health care too.
Hmmmmm, sounds like maybe mine should be ready any day.
Isn't trump on record saying we shouldn't have these?
Could have pulled employees from this duty or restricted overtime.
But this check and stamp issuance should be done at the dealer. The ATF does nothing more than a standard NICS check.
I was a week off, approved on the 7th and it my fat hands now.
Thats fast. Way ahead of the average.
electronman1729
09-16-2019, 17:42
I was a week off, approved on the 7th and it my fat hands now.
Trust or individual?
Individual this time. A coworker submitted one 2 weeks after me so I’m curious to see if his goes through this month.
electronman1729
09-20-2019, 21:40
Form 1 Trust 1RP
CZ evo sbr
Submitted 8-9-2019
Finger Prints Sent 8-9-2019
Approved 9-18-19
Will get the Zuhkov stock installed this weekend
https://i.imgur.com/HWWpfsJm.jpg
Might as well lump form 20 data in here too...
Submitted one for an SBR September 13th via email and got it back today, September 28th.
Surprised the heck out of me. 15 days!
O2
So why are the SBR forms so much faster?
So why are the SBR forms so much faster?
E-forms are faster, but are unavailable for form 1 purchases. I think
electronman1729
09-29-2019, 23:06
E-forms are faster, but are unavailable for form 1 purchases. I think
DI'd you mean form 4?
Not sure if the last couple replies are to my post, but I'm talking about the 5320.20 form, the interstate transfer form. Not a form 1 or 4...
https://www.atf.gov/file/4781/download
O2
DI'd you mean form 4?
I think that's what I meant.
Not sure if the last couple replies are to my post, but I'm talking about the 5320.20 form, the interstate transfer form. Not a form 1 or 4...
https://www.atf.gov/file/4781/download
O2
Is that for a permanent transfer, or just for travel?
I think that's what I meant.
Form 1 is to build. Form 4 is to buy.
Form 1 is to build. Form 4 is to buy.
Yes, this last bit of the thread was like a bad game of telephone.
e-form 1 are processing fast again (make a can, make an SBR)
5320.20 form is to carry your SBR
Form 4 to buy an NFA toy hasn't changed much other than some individuals starting to report very short (90 day?) returns. For whatever reason, trusts are still taking forever.
[Form 20] Is that for a permanent transfer, or just for travel?
It's for travel. I put down October 1 through December 31 to cover me for the rest of the year, just in case.
O2
Rucker61
10-03-2019, 09:22
Form 1 SBR Individual efile
Submitted Aug 28 2019
Approved Oct 3 2019.
We are seeing about 11-11.5 months on Trust form 4s.
electronman1729
10-09-2019, 18:51
Form 1 SRB - Trust 1 RP
AR-15
Sent 09-19-2019
Approved 10-9-19
Stamp came in at 18:44
Form 1 Suppressor-individual Efile
Sent 09-14-19
Approved 10-7-19
electronman1729
10-09-2019, 23:52
And Another
Forrm 1 SRB - Trust 1 RP
Bren
Sent 09-19-2019
Approved 10-9-19
Stamp came in at 18:55
yankeefan98121
10-16-2019, 05:54
Form 4 to buy an NFA toy hasn't changed much other than some individuals starting to report very short (90 day?) returns. For whatever reason, trusts are still taking forever.
I can neither confirm or deny this as being truth but was told by someone, who picked up the phone at the ?wheres my stuff? line, they?re using a ?new? process on the individual submissions
FFS just have the dealers run a background check, collect the $200, print & photo. Then they can print the stamp and then 10 minutes after submitting, you go home with your gun muffler or shorter rifle that is no more dangerous or concealable than a handgun... They trust dealers for selling and running background check for far more "dangerous" guns.
Nevermind, government wont allow efficiency in services.
Stop making sense.
FFS just have the dealers run a background check, collect the $200, print & photo. Then they can print the stamp and then 10 minutes after submitting, you go home with your gun muffler or shorter rifle that is no more dangerous or concealable than a handgun... They trust dealers for selling and running background check for far more "dangerous" guns.
Nevermind, government wont allow efficiency in services.
Form 4 Trust (2 person)
Sent 10/8/19
Card charged 11/20/18
Stamp received 10/9/19
Picked up 10/11/19
Not Colorado, but still my data point to add.
1 Suppressor, form 4, Individual, Silencershop Kiosk
Check Cashed 7/26/19
Approved 10/10/19
At Dealer 10/22/19.
I’m amazed and couldn’t be happier!
Rucker61
10-23-2019, 05:57
Not Colorado, but still my data point to add.
1 Suppressor, form 4, Individual, Silencershop Kiosk
Check Cashed 7/26/19
Approved 10/10/19
At Dealer 10/22/19.
I’m amazed and couldn’t be happier!
That's amazing. I'd buy a few more cans with that kind of turnaround.
We have had a couple May - June submissions come back in 3 months. Individuals though. Trusts are still 10-12 months.
Yeah, it looks like individuals are coming down to that three month mark.
I might start suppressor shopping again this weekend.
Called the ATF today to check status on my cans, and both were just approved today.
Trust
Received by ATF 12/10/2018
Approved by ATF 11/21/2019
Picked up 12/4/2019
Called the ATF today to check status on my cans, and both were just approved today.
Received by ATF 12/10/2018
Approved by ATF 11/21/2019
Individual or trust?
Form 4 can
Trust
Mailed 9-9-2018
Certified Priority 2-day
Card charged 9-18-2018
Silencerco BOGO from DLI purch 7-13-18 (JIT)
Registered for free can 7-14-18
FINALLY got my confirmation on the free can 9-4-18
Dealer emailed me 11-15-19
I've never felt so violated. It shouldn't take 424 MF days to get a form4 on a trust approved. Was that a punishment for waiting to file 2 months? If that's the case, my current one is going to take years.
I would have checked on it sooner, but honestly thought I had filed it in Dec 18.
Hurts especially bad with individuals reaching only 90 days now.
Hurts especially bad with individuals reaching only 90 days now.
Yea,
Thanks again ASA.
Individual.
Received ATF 2/1/19
Check cashed 2/22/19
Approved 11/12/19
Picked up 11/22/19
Form 4 can
Trust
Mailed 9-9-2018
Certified Priority 2-day
Card charged 9-18-2018
Silencerco BOGO from DLI purch 7-13-18 (JIT)
Registered for free can 7-14-18
FINALLY got my confirmation on the free can 9-4-18
Dealer emailed me 11-15-19
I've never felt so violated. It shouldn't take 424 MF days to get a form4 on a trust approved. Was that a punishment for waiting to file 2 months? If that's the case, my current one is going to take years.
I would have checked on it sooner, but honestly thought I had filed it in Dec 18.
Correction: Approved 10/25/19
Still 402 days
I guess it took 21 days to get it to the dealer?
We have had a couple May - June submissions come back in 3 months. Individuals though. Trusts are still 10-12 months.
I don't know whether the current administration as has done anything to reduce the BATFE backlog but it seems that now would be a good time to get orders in so they can be processed before next years election.
I have a trust and am interested in the new SiCo Omega 36M. Thinking, thinking....
e-Form 1 SBR
Trust
Submitted 11-24-2019
Prints sent Priority 2-day 11-25-2019
ETA: Prints Express mailed 11-29-19. USPS failed 1st deliveries on both FFS. USPS delivered prints 12-3-19
ETA: Approved 1-6-2020
electronman1729
12-04-2019, 18:18
Form 4 - SBR
Trust 1RP
Purchased 12-21-2018
Pending 2-7-2019
Approved 11-20-19
Picked up 12-4-2019
yankeefan98121
12-15-2019, 18:29
First two cleared 2/07, third payment cleared 2/23
Almost 3 weeks difference and the forms were submitted the same time [ROFL3]
Probably will be lucky to get the stamps by Feb 2020 [Jail]
2 stamps to the dealer 12/03/19, 3rd stamp arrived 12/14/19
Just under 10 months....
F4, 2 responsible party
electronman1729
12-31-2019, 01:50
E-File
Form 1 - SBR 1RP
Submitted 11/18
Approved 12/30
E-File
Form 1 - SBR 1RP
Submitted 11/18
Approved 12/30
I should see mine in about a week. Maybe it will hit on my birthday. Same day I have Jury duty. Wouldn't that be a hoot.
I should see mine in about a week. Maybe it will hit on my birthday. Same day I have Jury duty. Wouldn't that be a hoot.
Prosecutor: This case is about a very serious crime, why are you smiling Mr. Brutal?
Brutal: It's my birthday and my short-barreled AR15 was just approved.
Prosecutor: Move to dismiss.
Prosecutor: This case is about a very serious crime, why are you smiling Mr. Brutal?
Brutal: It's my birthday and my short-barreled AR15 was just approved.
Prosecutor: Move to dismiss.
Now I'm gonna get scolded by someone if I have to go.
Form 4 Silencer
Individual
Mailed April 6, 2019
Approved December 17, 2019
Dealer received the Approved Form 4 January 2, 2020 and I picked it up January 3, 2020.
273 days not 183 days.
Probably one of the last expedited individual ones...
O2
e-Form 1 SBR
Trust
Submitted 11-24-2019
Prints sent Priority 2-day 11-25-2019
ETA: Prints Express mailed 11-29-19. USPS failed 1st deliveries on both FFS. USPS delivered prints 12-3-19
Approved 1-6-2020
Didn't quite hit on my birthday, but damn close.
I bought a CZ-75b probably ten years ago because I wanted something to suppress. I've finally just gotten two suppressors after a decade of lusting after one, and haven't even gotten out to shoot them yet and I picked them up two months ago.
We are seeing late March to early April submissions coming back now.
E file form 1 individual filed 12/15 approved 1/23.
APEXgunparts
02-03-2020, 13:06
Friday my local dealer called and said he had "Very Good News"
I had a group of Form 4's (individual) approved.
The earliest one had been submitted in early May 2019.
The last one was submitted in mid December 2019.
All were approved on the 21st of January of 2020.
Richard
Friday my local dealer called and said he had "Very Good News"
I had a group of Form 4's (individual) approved.
The earliest one had been submitted in early May 2019.
The last one was submitted in mid December 2019.
All were approved on the 21st of January of 2020.
Richard
Congrats.
Looks like you were the beneficiary of the catch-up forms processing they were doing for Individuals until the whiners and letter writers effed it up.
This was the one time my usual lack of faith in anything the gov does was hopeful it was for efficiency and it would have helped clear out a lot of the backlog.
Form 4 can
Trust
Mailed 9-19-2019
Certified Priority 2-day
Card charged 9-26-19
Approved 3-6-20
Dealer called 4-2-20
163 days from charged to approved
Waiting for BGC backlog (5-6 days)
Form 4 can
Trust
Mailed 9-19-2019
Certified Priority 2-day
Card charged 9-26-19
Approved 3-6-20
Dealer called 4-2-20
163 days from charged to approved
Waiting for BGC backlog (5-6 days)
So you just had a BGC to get a stamp, now must have another to take the muffler home. I always thought this was a silly duplication of government stupidity.
So you just had a BGC to get a stamp, now must have another to take the muffler home. I always thought this was a silly duplication of government stupidity.
2 BGC, me and the other RP on the trust.
Shouldn't be a damn tax required to muffle my guns to begin with.
kidicarus13
04-03-2020, 18:16
2 BGC, me and the other RP on the trust.
Is this to just be cautious for the RP? I never seen official instructions on this.
Is this to just be cautious for the RP? I never seen official instructions on this.
BGC by ATF for the 2 RP on the submission. Just the trustee on the pickup.
Some people on my CZ fan site are reporting 29 day wait for eFile Form 1. Any thoughts on that timeframe?
Some people on my CZ fan site are reporting 29 day wait for eFile Form 1. Any thoughts on that timeframe?
The last 4 form 1's I did came back in around 3 weeks. eFile individual
Some people on my CZ fan site are reporting 29 day wait for eFile Form 1. Any thoughts on that timeframe?
The last 4 form 1's I did came back in around 3 weeks. eFile individual
Last SBR I did was like 43 days but that was Dec-Jan. e-file trust.
Thanks Fellas. So I gather it doesn’t make a difference if you’re filing as an individual or through a Trust? My last filing through my trust took 11 months and that was 4 years ago.
Thanks Fellas. So I gather it doesn’t make a difference if you’re filing as an individual or through a Trust? My last filing through my trust took 11 months and that was 4 years ago.
I'm guessing the more background checks (more people in the trust) the longer the wait. I could be completely wrong.
Thanks Fellas. So I gather it doesn’t make a difference if you’re filing as an individual or through a Trust? My last filing through my trust took 11 months and that was 4 years ago.
e-files are back to "fast."
So if I wanted to SBR on an LLC. It could go quickly?
So if I wanted to SBR on an LLC. It could go quickly?
All efile form 1s are going fast.
So if I wanted to SBR on an LLC. It could go quickly?
Why give the feds extra money they don't deserve for infringing on your rights? Some of these new pistol brace stocks offer similar looks and performance to rifle buttstocks.
Why give the feds extra money they don't deserve for infringing on your rights? Some of these new pistol brace stocks offer similar looks and performance to rifle buttstocks.
To help pay for wildlife management through Pittman-Robertson?
Why give the feds extra money they don't deserve for infringing on your rights? Some of these new pistol brace stocks offer similar looks and performance to rifle buttstocks.
Well, if you gotta have a vertical fore-grip, you gotta pays for it.*
O2
*Translation: Don't put a vertical fore-grip on a pistol.
Well, if you gotta have a vertical fore-grip, you gotta pays for it.*
O2
*Translation: Don't put a vertical fore-grip on a pistol.
Is there an angle that is accepted as not being vertical?
BTW, I wasted $600 for SBR stamps on builds I could now make with a pistol brace buttstock. But I don't use fore-grips.
BTW, I wasted $600 for SBR stamps on builds I could now make with a pistol brace buttstock. But I don't use fore-grips.
Those are rookie numbers. LOL
Trying to wrap my head around this, which makes me think I know the answer (the fact that I have to wrap my head around it means the answer is probably retarded in a way only government can manage):
For efile Form 1, I see where I have to upload a photo. On the 5320.23, it asks for a photo attachment.
Question:
since the EFile process has a separate photo attachment process, is it still necessary to print/scan/attach a 2x2" photo to the 5320.23? OR Does the photo upload process negate the need for printing/scanning a photo and attaching it to the 5320.23?
Is there an angle that is accepted as not being vertical?
I think the answer is "not 90 degrees" but I really don't pay that much attention to the issue since I don't use fore-grips (and my short stuff is SBRed).
O2
Is there an angle that is accepted as not being vertical?
The magpul AFG's are good to go.
Trying to wrap my head around this, which makes me think I know the answer (the fact that I have to wrap my head around it means the answer is probably retarded in a way only government can manage):
For efile Form 1, I see where I have to upload a photo. On the 5320.23, it asks for a photo attachment.
Question:
since the EFile process has a separate photo attachment process, is it still necessary to print/scan/attach a 2x2" photo to the 5320.23? OR Does the photo upload process negate the need for printing/scanning a photo and attaching it to the 5320.23?
I did not scan the 5320.23 with photo on my last submission (approved). You're required to upload the photo so it doesn't need to be on the RPQ.
https://i.imgur.com/YwzxyYd.png
Why give the feds extra money they don't deserve for infringing on your rights? Some of these new pistol brace stocks offer similar looks and performance to rifle buttstocks.
I agree, but its a PS90. No pistol versions that I know of.
electronman1729
04-22-2020, 14:05
Form 4 : Supressor
Trust 1RP
Submitted 5/2019
Approved 3/27/2020
Iglooisthaname
04-26-2020, 09:12
13 days from fingerprints delivered
Efile individual form 1
efile Form 1 Suppressor
Trust
Submitted: 21 Apr 2020
Approved: 26 May 2020
9mmkungfu
06-20-2020, 20:50
eForm 1 SBR
Trust
Submitted: 05/05/20
Approved: 06/01/20
eForm 1 SBR
Trust
Submitted: 03/30/20
Approved: 04/27/20
Rucker61
07-06-2020, 16:40
Form 4 suppressor
Individual
Submitted: 11/26/19
Approved: 6/22/20
Tax stamp arrived: 7/6/20
Rucker61
07-06-2020, 17:53
Not bad turn around.
My shop saw some turnarounds for Form 4 individual that took less than two months. Rat bastidges.
We had one guy that had 4 cans in process. All turned in a different times.
One was almost a year, one at nine months and the other two inside 6 months. They were all approved on the same day.
Submitted another form 1 suppressor on trust today. Mailed fingerprints today as well.
Hoping it will be another 36 days or so.
E-filed a Short Barreled Rifle Form 1 late June 30, 2020.
Mailed Fingerprint cards early July 1.
Received approve Form 1 via e-mail just after noon July 19, 2020.
19 days.
That was quick.
jhood001
08-05-2020, 22:01
Form 4, New trust Jan 29.
Completed July 23.
asystejs
08-13-2020, 10:30
SilencerShop Form 4 Trust, 1 person
Check Cashed on 2020-02-20
Tax Stamp at Dealer on 2020-08-12
174 days from check cashed to at dealer
Dealer said there is 3-ish day wait on background checks as of 2020-08-12
TheSparkens
08-15-2020, 14:30
SilencerShop Form 1 Trust, 1 person
Purchase 2020-01-21
Check Cashed on 2020-03-08
Tax Stamp at Dealer on 2020-08-15
Anyone have any eform 1 timelines? I put in a form 1 on eFile a while ago and nothing yet.
Anyone have any eform 1 timelines? I put in a form 1 on eFile a while ago and nothing yet.
15-18 business days.
15-18 business days.
So weird. First one I submitted was about 36 days from filed to approved. 2nd was filed on 6 July and is still not approved. Called the status line and they said it’s still in the process and no notes on the file indicate a hold up.
Did nothing different.
electronman1729
10-20-2020, 09:28
Form 1 SBR E-File
Submitted 9-29
Approved 10-20
Form 1 SBR E-File
Submitted 9-29
Approved 10-20
With that kind of turnaround I should SBR everything I've got!
O2
electronman1729
10-20-2020, 10:19
With that kind of turnaround I should SBR everything I've got!
O2
LOL, that is what I did. I told Troy at Colrado Gunwrites last year that I was done with engravings but it looks like I came crawling back.
What the heck is taking so long. I submitted a eForm 1 Suppressor on a Trust in the first week of July. No notifications. Still in process. No kickback on messed up paperwork.
There was an update direct from ATF, 90 days for research, and form 1's are climbing to 60 to 90 days for processing. If you look at the map of wait time by state, colorado is one of the states with the longest waits. No clue why unless they are still assigning processors to states and we just happen to have really really slow ones. I do know that all my stamps are either Ripley or what looks like Allen
lostcolorado
11-28-2020, 20:42
Pennsylvania
CZ Bren 2 MS Pistol
Form 1 - sbr, individual
09/19/2020 - eFile ATF
09/22/2020 - prints mailed
10/12/2020 - approved
Form 4 individual
Mailed 11/9/2020
Arrived 11/13/2020
Check cashed 11/17/2020
Approved 3/20/2021
Stamp arrived at FFL 4/20/2021
We have been seeing trust submissions from Oct/November coming back lately.
For individuals Dec/Jan have been rolling in.
Still holding on track.
December trusts coming in and Jan individual.
Form 1
e-file
trust
SBR (2 applications)
Submitted: 6-9-21
Approved: 6-27-21
18 days and they both got approved within an hour of each other
Form 1
e-file
trust
SBR (2 applications)
Submitted: 6-9-21
Approved: 6-27-21
18 days and they both got approved within an hour of each other
Where do you go to submit these if you don't mind me asking?
Where do you go to submit these if you don't mind me asking?
eforms.atf.gov
Form 1
e-file
trust
SBR
Submitted: 6-28-21
Approved: 7-22-21
24 days
Rucker61
07-23-2021, 17:13
I should check my email closer.
Form 1 (x2)
no trust
SBR
Submitted 6/10/21
Approved 7/1/21
I should check my email closer.
Form 1 (x2)
no trust
SBR
Submitted 6/10/21
Approved 7/1/21
I've been refreshing mine every 10 minutes lol
electronman1729
07-31-2021, 20:20
Saker 762 ASR
Scored it for $600 NIB
Check Cashed 7-30.
Away we go!
Form 4 -Trust
87032
RANGERRON72
08-11-2021, 07:17
Just got a Form 4 submitted in late March 2021 in the mail August 4th.... Shortest time I have seen in a long time........
Just got a Form 4 submitted in late March 2021 in the mail August 4th.... Shortest time I have seen in a long time........
WOW! Gives me hope I will see mine by Jan-Feb 2022
electronman1729
01-28-2022, 20:09
Form 1 Efile
SBR
Submitted 01/15/2022
Approved 01/28/2022
electronman1729
02-03-2022, 09:39
Form 1 efile
SBR
Submitted 12/15/21
Approved 02/03/22
Strange the last one was approved in two weeks.
electronman1729
05-17-2022, 14:49
Form 4 Efile
Supressor
Trust, 1 responsible person
Purchased end of December.
Certified 1/28/22
Approved 5/17/22
Form 1 Efile
SBR.........
25 Days turn around
Eform 4s coming in around 90-100 days.
...and paper is about 14 months, according to Silencer Shop here at the NRA show.
I'm at almost exactly a year. I was hoping to have my can for the Shootist's Holiday next month... :(
O2
Form 4 paper "Single Shot" Silencer Shop trust for suppressor.
Check cashed 05/27/21
Stamp received 06/03/22
1 year, 1 week.
Arrived on Hoser's watch. He's my hero. :)
O2
Form 4, efile, single shot trust
12-11-21 purchased at lgs
2-3-22 certification.
6-3-22 approval email.
120 days.
Not quite the 90 days I was hoping for but still less than half the time my paper filed suppressors took.
Eform 4s coming in around 90-100 days.
God I Wished :)
Today marks the 112th day for me. On ARFcom I am seeing 120-132 days on average now with people posting as of yesterday.
Old fashioned paper form 4s are still running 12.5 - 13 months.
God I Wished :)
Today marks the 112th day for me. On ARFcom I am seeing 120-132 days on average now with people posting as of yesterday.
(OT) Speaking of, they closed the WTB/WTT sections to non paying members due to "scammers."
(OT) Speaking of, they closed the WTB/WTT sections to non paying members due to "scammers."
Eh? I can still see all the EE forums? I am not a paying member :P
Someone on there (ARFcom) posted an interesting thought. When the AFT said ".........approvals in 90 days." everyone assumed that meant "total" days from the time you certified. Though there is no "fine Print" with details from AFT to explain.
Eform 4
Individual
Prints Mailed
Submitted: 1/26/22
Approval: 6/7/22
132 days or 92 business days
Some said maybe the AFT meant "business days" [ROFL1]
Eh? I can still see all the EE forums? I am not a paying member :P
Someone on there (ARFcom) posted an interesting thought. When the AFT said ".........approvals in 90 days." everyone assumed that meant "total" days from the time you certified. Though there is no "fine Print" with details from AFT to explain.
Some said maybe the AFT meant "business days" [ROFL1]
You can no longer see any WTB/WTT forums.
They're all only For Sale.
You can no longer see any WTB/WTT forums.
They're all only For Sale.
OH I never use those so didnt even notice. :)
Batch Approval (The fastest I have seen in a while)
Both Individual
Sandman S
Purchased: Sept 2021
Submitted: 9/24/2021
Check Cashed: 10/6/2021
Approval: 7/7/2022
Stamp in hand: 07/16/2022
Days for approval: 286 days, roughly 9 months
YHM Turbo T2
Purchased: Nov 2021
Submitted: 12/03/2021
Check Cashed: 12/15/2021
Approval: 7/7/2022
Stamp in hand: 07/16/2022
Days for approval: 216 days, roughly 7 months
Trisha Bartles was the reviewer for both.
Friend of mine just got a [paper] suppressor stamp back - 1 year 2 weeks from the check being cashed.
O2
SiCo Hybrid 46
Individual e-File Form 4
Purchased: Nov 2021
Certified / Submitted: 2/18/2022
Approval: 8/1/2022
Days for approval: 164 days, roughly 5 months
Beth Palmer was the reviewer
82ndShooter
08-19-2022, 18:09
Purchased Silencerco BOGO Deal on 11/18/2021 (Individual paper Form 4)
Received by ATF 11/29/2021
Still pending as of today. Told by ATF/NFA today 12 months out
Email from Silencerco stating "get one free can" shipped received on 8/11/2022
No word from dealer as of yet that they received it.
Late January and February E-Form 4s showing up.
paddywagon
08-23-2022, 09:30
Finally saw a couple of my customers early Feb E files show up.
82ndShooter
08-26-2022, 10:26
Purchased Silencerco BOGO Deal on 11/18/2021 (Individual paper Form 4)
Received by ATF 11/29/2021
Still pending as of today. Told by ATF/NFA today 12 months out
Email from Silencerco stating "get one free can" shipped received on 8/11/2022
No word from dealer as of yet that they received it.Filed e-Form 4 for my BOGO 8/24/2022
The race to see which one clears first is now on!
Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk
electronman1729
09-10-2022, 14:20
Form 4 - Paper
Suppressor
Stamp Cashed: 07/29/2021
Stamp Approved: 08/30/2022
398 Days
Picked up 09/10/2022
https://i.imgur.com/tne2WGc.jpg
electronman1729
09-24-2022, 20:10
Form 4 - Paper
Suppressor
Stamp Cashed: 09/04/2021
Stamp Approved: 09/15/2022
376 days
Picked up 09/24/2022
Paper form 4s still holding steady at 12-13 months.
E-Form 4s going from 7-8 months fast.
Mid March E-Forms clearing out now.
And no, they arent using the E-Forms system to see if you have other cans in progress for batch approvals.
electronman1729
11-02-2022, 11:14
Form 4 - Efile
Suppressor
Verified: 03/11/2021
Stamp Approved: 11/02/2022
236 days
electronman1729
11-05-2022, 11:38
Form 4 - Paper
Suppressor
Submitted: 11/26/2021
Stamp Approved: 10/24/2022
328 days
BootScootin
11-05-2022, 17:32
Form 4 - Paper (individual)
Suppressor
Submitted: 10/16/21
Stamp approved: 10/26/22
375 days
82ndShooter
11-09-2022, 18:21
Purchased Silencerco BOGO Deal on 11/18/2021 (Individual paper Form 4)
Received by ATF 11/29/2021
Still pending as of today. Told by ATF/NFA today 12 months out
Email from Silencerco stating "get one free can" shipped received on 8/11/2022
No word from dealer as of yet that they received it.Picked this one up today after the coveted phone call saying "come and get it ;-)".
Approved on 10/31/2022
Sent from my SM-N975U using Tapatalk
electronman1729
01-26-2023, 23:32
Form 4 - Efile
Suppressor
Verified: 04/29/22
Stamp Approved: 01/26/23
272 days
encorehunter
08-18-2023, 16:18
Form 4 suppressors
12/23/22
8/18/23
238 days. Seemed like an eternity.
electronman1729
09-26-2023, 19:36
Form 4 Trust
Pending 2/15/23
Approved 9/26/23
Dead Air Wolfman
https://i.imgur.com/oEtPdgul.jpg
We have been seeing eform wait times coming down. Random form 4s coming back in 3-4 months but the average is 6-7 months right now.
electronman1729
10-14-2023, 19:32
EForm 1 SBR
Trust
ETF
Submitted 9/10/23
Approved 10/14/23
20231047XXX
On a Saturday at 1638 MST
electronman1729
11-16-2023, 20:37
Batch Approval!
Form 4's
ETF
Submitted 06/06/23
Approved 11/9/23
X2 Form 4's submitted on the same day
Submitted 05/25/23
Approved 11/09/23
Batch Approval!
I should pick up another suppressor just to see if this is how they're doing things or just a lucky break.
O2
hollohas
11-17-2023, 08:14
I submitted an electronic Form 4 in April and don't have anything back yet.
I submitted two electronic Form 1's within a day of each other in May and they were approved months apart.
The ATF has no rhyme or reason. Completely random.
The ATF has no rhyme or reason. Completely random.
If you think you're going to talk me out of getting another suppressor, you're very, very wrong. :)
O2
ipleadda2nd
01-14-2024, 11:09
Electronically submitted everything through Silencer Shop Kiosk
Form 4
Suppressor
Trust
Submitted: 7/1/2023
Approved: 1/9/2024
That was relatively fast! I wonder if any of these things matter with the speed of approval.
- My first electronic submission.
- First time the trust was used. No trustees and no other NFA items.
eForm 4 / digital prints / individual
Suppressor
Local Gun club / Shop
Submitted 12/13/23
Approved 2/20/24
69 days (my lucky #[ROFL1])
No signature, just a NFA inspector
Great-Kazoo
02-25-2024, 09:18
Kid at the range files 2 weeks ago. Friday he received approval. Form 4, as an individual.
electronman1729
02-26-2024, 21:08
E-File Form 4
Suppressor
Individual
Submitted and Purchased : 12/28/2023
Approved: 2/26/24
OneGuy67
02-27-2024, 08:45
Interesting coincidence. As I was reading this discussion, my phone dinged indicating a new email.
11/26/23 Purchased Suppressor from a vendor not to be named - Completed Individual E-File ~ digital fingerprints
01/04/24 Vendor Submitted Form 4
02/27/24 Form 4 Approved
We have had approvals for trusts and individuals go as fast as 2 months and as slow as 13 months.
Strange stuff.
electronman1729
03-07-2024, 18:50
You will all love this
Form4 Individual
Suppressor
Submitted 03/05/2024 15:53hrs
Approved 03/07/2024 11:03hrs
96172
Has anyone had a Form 1 approval (SBR) since this accelerated processing started?
OneGuy67
03-29-2024, 13:56
Has anyone had a Form 1 approval (SBR) since this accelerated processing started?
I had 2 Form 1 suppressor approvals. Filed on 3/7 and were approved on 3/26 and 3/28.
From an email sent out by the American Suppressor Association:
Also on the website: https://americansuppressorassociation.com/are-fast-eforms-transfers-here-to-stay/?mc_cid=b46c30180b&mc_eid=194b63f904
Are Lightning Fast NFA Transfers Here To Stay?
Many users are reporting approvals in a matter of days, or even HOURS! Will this trend continue?
The short answer appears to be YES! When it comes to suppressors, wait times suck! Since they were first regulated in 1934, delays associated with Form 4 processing have been a reality that the suppressor community has had to live with. For years, the American Suppressor Association has actively advocated for changes to the process to improve efficiencies and decrease delays. According to ATF, the months-long wait times we have unwillingly become accustomed to may be a thing of the past!
When it comes to suppressors, wait times suck!
Since they were first regulated in 1934, delays associated with Form 4 processing have been a reality that the suppressor community has had to live with. For years, the American Suppressor Association has actively advocated for changes to the process to improve efficiencies and decrease delays. According to ATF, the months-long wait times we have unwillingly become accustomed to may be a thing of the past!
At the end of 2023, the American Suppressor Association coordinated an Industry Roundtable with ATF to discuss problems and offer solutions to many of the underlying issues slowing down the eForms system. On March 15, 2024, the National Firearms Act Division hosted a webinar to discuss the processing improvements they have recently implemented. These improvements, many of which are a direct result of ASA?s Industry Roundtable with ATF, have helped dramatically speed up Form 4 transfers, bringing many approvals down to mere hours! While there is still tremendous variability in transfer times, ATF openly stated that the new and improved processing times are the ?new normal? and are expected to continue!
During the webinar, we learned a lot about the latest processes that ATF is employing to all but eliminate wait times. We?ve summarized the details into an FAQ so let?s dive into what we were told:
How is NFA Division currently processing forms?
In order to process an NFA application, ATF must first receive a response from the FBI National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). The NFA Division currently submits NICS checks to the FBI in large batches. Rather than approving transfers sequentially based on date received, NFA examiners are now focusing on rapidly processing applications as soon as the NICS response has been received.
According to ATF, the ?NFA Division is processing eForm Individual applications in real-time? and will quickly do the same for Form 4s utilizing an NFA trust. Translated, this means that as soon as an approved NICS check is received by ATF, the NFA application is processed for final approval.
The NFA Division has established several ?swimlanes? where forms are funneled to examiners for processing to streamline the process further. These swim lanes are:
Individual Applications
Bundled Individual Applications
NFA Trust Applications
Bundled NFA Trust Applications
What is ?Bundling??
This is the term the NFA Division uses to identify an individual or trust with multiple pending applications in queue. These applications are for items purchased at the same time or over a period of time. When bundled, the NFA Division identifies these applications and packages them together so that a single NICS check can be submitted and all pending applications can be approved simultaneously. This reduces the overall number of background checks sent to FBI-NICS and allows NFA examiners to efficiently process multiple applications simultaneously.
What led to the rapid decrease in Form 4 processing times?
Changes in basic processing methods are responsible for the rapid decrease in Form 4 processing times. While paper forms will always be accepted, the NFA transfer process has been optimized to more efficiently process electronic applications. With roughly 96% of all NFA applications submitted electronically, this means more can be processed in a shorter period of time.
Perhaps the most impactful change is ATF?s departure from the ?First In, First Out? approach. Rather than waiting for applications to be approved sequentially, NFA now focuses on approving applications as soon as the applicant?s background check has received a NICS ?proceed?. Around 70% of background checks receive an instant ?proceed? from the FBI?s National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS). The remaining 30% are ?delayed? or ?denied?.
?Delayed? background checks require further investigation by the FBI-NICS team to ensure the applicant can legally procure a firearm. Delays are often resolved in a matter of moments, but with NFA applications, the delay can sometimes take months. That is because NFA items are not subject to the three business day statutory window outlined by the Brady Act. In other words, the FBI does not have to process delayed NICS checks for NFA items as quickly as they do for Title I guns (rifles, pistols, shotguns). It is important to note that NFA examiners do not process these background checks; the FBI does.
As of March 12, 2024, NFA has 77,963 open status background checks with NICS ? the oldest dating back to May 8, 2023. This is a leading cause for the wide range of approval times experienced by consumers.
Why did the NFA Division stop processing forms on a First In, First Out basis?
According to ATF, ?processing applications on a First In, First Out basis is untenable when FBI-NICS is an ?upstream supplier.?? To illustrate their point, ATF offered a grocery store express checkout lane analogy:
If five people are ready to pay by credit card and have only one item, each is stuck behind one person paying by check with a week?s worth of groceries and 20 coupons. It isn?t fair to hold up the five people that are ready to go.
?Fairness,? of course, is relative, especially for those with errors, complex trust issues, and/or background check delays. However, this new process moves the most significant number of applicants (70%) through the system in the most efficient manner so that examiners can then process delayed transfers more efficiently. This results in reduced transfer times across the board for all applicant types. There are also simple steps that applicants can take to avoid many of the common causes for delay.
How can I ensure my application is not delayed?
There is no single silver bullet to 100% ensure that your application is not delayed. However, if you take these steps, the likelihood of a delay is significantly lower:
Include your Social Security Number on your Form 4
Including your SSN reduces misidentification during background checks, especially for people with common names.
If you are frequently delayed when purchasing firearms, consider applying for a Unique Personal Identification Number (UPIN).
UPINs are assigned by the FBI to help applicants who experience frequent delays or wrongful denials quickly prove that they are not a prohibited person.
If you have a Unique Personal Identification Number (UPIN), include it.
What improvements are being made to expedite the processing of NFA trust applications?
The NFA Division is working to implement several improvements to the processing of trust applications that will all but eliminate the gap between individual and trust applicants. This will be especially true for applicants using ?standardized trusts? sold by reputable companies which have already been thoroughly vetted by ATF. Because they have been vetted, they require less manual review by examiners.
The NFA Division will also do away with the paper Responsible Person Questionnaire (RPQ) that must be completed by each Responsible Person (RP), scanned, and attached to trust applications. Instead, they will incorporate an electronic RPQ(s) as part of the eForms system. This will reduce common errors encountered with trust applications and reduce the workload on both the applicant and NFA.
How can I ensure the fastest approval using a trust?
Use a standardized trust from a reputable source
ATF has indicated that they are working to expedite the processing of applications using common NFA trusts.
Submit a responsible person questionnaire (RPQ) for each RP named in the trust
Every single RP. No exceptions.
Avoid submitting an invalid trust
For example: settlor, trustee, and beneficiary are the same person (merger doctrine).
Verify that the trust name listed on the trust documents matches the eForm application
If the name on your NFA Trust does not match the name on your NFA application, it will be delayed or denied.
Ensure that minors are not listed as responsible persons
Minors can?t serve as an RP ? no matter how responsible they may seem.
The more RP?s on a trust, the greater the chance of a delay
Even a single error or delayed NICS check for one RP will delay the entire approval.
Why are some consumers still waiting for an application to be approved when more recent applications are being approved so quickly?
Moving forward, the variability is most likely due to a delay in the NICS background check. As of March 12, 2024, the NFA Division was awaiting responses to 77,963 background check requests from NICS. The oldest outstanding check dates back to May 8, 2023.
If you have a pending transfer that has exceeded the NFA?s published average transfer times on their website, your dealer should contact NFA via phone at (304) 616-4500, or email IPB@atf.gov to obtain a status update.
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XXFattyHunterXX
03-30-2024, 00:18
Eform 1 Trust
Submitted 3/28 @1:42 AM
Approved 3/29 @7:27 AM
This is probably a fluke.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240330/36f0f58c3049ece163e953ece1395f79.jpg
The shift from one year and more wait times is a sea change, and especially surprising that it's happening during the Biden administration. It's an example of why I support the American Suppressor Association. They have successfully lobbied to open suppressor use for hunting in most states, and fought against efforts to ban suppressors in several states. When ASA formed in 2011, there were 285,000 legally obtained suppressors in circulation in the 39 states where they were legal to own. Today, there are over 3,150,000 suppressors in circulation. A mere 22 of these states allowed their use while hunting. Now, 44 states allow suppressors for hunting.
The ASA sponsored the Hearing Protection Act, which the Dems wouldn't allow out of committee for a vote. The ASA continues work toward removing suppressors from the NFA. All that's needed is a GOP executive with legislature and senate majorities. Oh, and a functional GOP at state and national levels.
There are about 5000 ASA members, but well over a million suppressor owners. The NRA and others have been AWOL in the suppressor revolution. This needs to change at the grassroots level of firearms owners.
https://americansuppressorassociation.com/memberships/
April 11 (Thursday) scanned-in fingerprints at the LGS's kiosk for silencer purchase.
April 12 (Friday) LGS submitted form to Silencer Shop.
April 17 (Wednesday) Silencer Shop e-filed this form with ATF in very late afternoon.
April 18 (Thursday) ATF emailed me the approved form, with an image of the $200 stamp affixed to it, all before noon.
With what seems like crazy quick approvals lately, it might be time for those of us who are really impatient to go ahead and get something purchased.
XXFattyHunterXX
04-18-2024, 16:18
(5) Eform 4, Trust.
Submitted 4/8
Approved 4/18
electronman1729
04-22-2024, 20:45
Form4
Trust, 1RP
Suppressor
Submitted 12/08/2023
Approved 04/22/2024
ipleadda2nd
05-24-2024, 18:08
Form 1
Trust, 1 RP
SBR
Submitted 05/06/2024
Approved 05/22/2024
Only 16 days!
Submitted on eforms website.
Great-Kazoo
05-25-2024, 22:58
Form 1
Trust, 1 RP
SBR
Submitted 05/06/2024
Approved 05/22/2024
Only 16 days!
Submitted on eforms website.
It seems they're turning them around in 2 weeks or less. Guy filled out a F4 at local ffl on tuesday, saturday he was at the range, shooting.
electronman1729
06-11-2024, 20:14
Form4
Trust, 1RP
Suppressor
Submitted 02/08/2024
Approved 06/11/2024
Linkless
07-02-2024, 06:19
Form 4
Individual
Suppressor
Sumbitted 10/14/2023
Approved 7/2/2024
Note that the asshats at the ATF did not include the 3 more recent suppressors in a batch approval. 2 were submitted 3/27 and 1 on May 30.
Linkless
07-02-2024, 13:21
Update, sent an email to at ATF email I found online and it apparently worked as shortly after I sent it the others started rolling in.
ipleadda2nd
07-27-2024, 08:31
Form 4
Trust, 1 RP
Suppressor
SilencerShop Kiosk
2024-05-15: Submitted to ATF.
2024-07-25: Approved by ATF.
71 days
Crap. I still have some 1 RP trust form 4s that went in mid March...
longrange2
07-27-2024, 21:23
I have one from January that is still not approved, one shot trust with SS.
electronman1729
08-02-2024, 16:49
Form4
Trust, 1RP
Suppressor
Submitted 7/24/2024
Approved 7/31/2024
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