General vehicle thread

[Erni]

Well new power steering pump is in. Power without noise.
My baby is back!

From now on AC Delco and factory juices for this car.

[MrPrena]

I need a hardshell for a taco.

[Erni]

I need a hardshell for a taco.
A chaloopa?

[Gman]

I need a hardshell for a taco.
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[Irving]

Hey, do any of these photos contain red flags that I should have noticed before I bought this project vehicle?

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Oil in every spark plug hole
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Very liberal use of gasket maker and boots that were practically welded to the spark plugs.
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What looks like saw dust behind the timing belt cover. I heard about that in Matilda. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pks7q2qyM-s
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[MrPrena]

A chaloopa?


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!Quiero!

[MrPrena]

Hey, do any of these photos contain red flags that I should have noticed before I bought this project vehicle?

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Oil in every spark plug hole
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Very liberal use of gasket maker and boots that were practically welded to the spark plugs.
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What looks like saw dust behind the timing belt cover. I heard about that in Matilda. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pks7q2qyM-s
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Project for personal use or to flip?
I already see 500ish worth of parts needed if bought on Amazon or ebay.

[Irving]

Personal, if it's not too much of a money pit. Guy said it needs a timing belt to run. I've done one on these engines before. The interior is kind of trashed, but the suspension and body is in pretty good shape. Looks like at least valve cover gaskets as well. Has some new parts like starter, clutch, and a lot of ignition parts. I'll be replacing the plug wires and plugs as well. Plan is to get it running to see what else it needs and decide to fix and flip or keep and build into what I want.

[Gman]

That Isuzu is gonna' need some love.

[MrPrena]

I would like to see BEFORE and AFTER photo of Isuzu.

[Irving]

Well, I'll maybe update at each big upgrade/mod.

Right now I've been shooting the pull n pay for timing belt covers. My contact on the Isuzu forum that can get everyone factory new parts says my only option for new valve covers, is ordering them new from Japan for about $40 a piece.

The, pretty sure original, water pump seized and bent the shaft, so it popped the belt out of alignment just enough to burn lines through all three timing covers.

[Great-Kazoo]

Personal, if it's not too much of a money pit. Guy said it needs a timing belt to run. I've done one on these engines before. The interior is kind of trashed, but the suspension and body is in pretty good shape. Looks like at least valve cover gaskets as well. Has some new parts like starter, clutch, and a lot of ignition parts. I'll be replacing the plug wires and plugs as well. Plan is to get it running to see what else it needs and decide to fix and flip or keep and build into what I want.

When you turn that motor over i suggest a few bags of oil dry or kitty litter. Either the rings are smoked or the valve guides are trashed, along with the seals. Don't waste any more $$ on it, flip for parts and move on.

If anything, i'd price another motor from the junk yards. Why try fixing that ?

But. knowing you. You'll dump another $3-500 in just because. And probably still turn a few dollars for your trouble.

[Irving]

It's a non-interference engine. It will probably have really loud valve ticking though. Think this motor is known for that.

[Bailey Guns]

Every diesel we've ever owned has been trouble free (aside from normal wear items) for as long as we've owned them. Former wife had her first issue with the 2014 Cruze TD at just under 100k miles. The DEF heater failed and threw a code. Local dealer ordered the part and Chevy is gonna cover it 100% under warranty. Pretty good deal.

[Gman]

Former co-worker had a similar problem with his GMC HD Denali. Had to ultimately replace the DEF heater, but it took several visits to service before getting it straight.

[Bailey Guns]

Yeah, I have a real love/hate relationship with the local dealer. Very nice people. But their service dept can't really fix shit. They seriously suck. But they're nice about it. First time I took the first diesel Cruze in for oil/filter/lube I asked to have the DEF topped off. The freakin' service manager didn't even know they took DEF. I had to show him the filler cap on the car.

[Erni]

I swore I would avoid getting another audi. I am weak.
80488

[MrPrena]

Interesting read.


The Electric Car Cost Tipping Point
March 21st, 2020 by Zachary Shahan

https://cleantechnica.com/2020/03/21/the-electric-car-price-tipping-point/amp/

[Gman]

That article seems deeply flawed to me. With the cost of gas dropping to amazingly low levels, the tipping point is likely so far out that you'll never recover your extra cost for going electric. The countries mentioned in the graphs are spending a ton of money to force electric adoption and I didn't see that addressed. Those are dollars that could be put into infrastructure or other needs.

The battery technology still needs improvement and any new technology is likely more than a decade out.

[waffles]

Anybody know if any of the chain auto shops have the free scanner that will read ABS codes for a 2000 Tundra? Thinking it's one of the sensors on the wheels but would like to know which one rather than just fucking around with it forever.

[FoxtArt]

Autozone, and many others. Unless there's something really special about the ABS codes on a Tundra [dig] I assume you're talking a generic OBD code retrieval.

[mpatch]

Autozone, and many others. Unless there's something really special about the ABS codes on a Tundra [dig] I assume you're talking a generic OBD code retrieval.

Most “body codes (aka air bag, abs etc) can’t be read by a cheap obd scanner

[00tec]

I thought that vehicle registration generally went down year after year on the same vehicle. My car is a 2013, and the registration this year is the exact same as last year, down to the cent. $227.23 for a 7 year old sedan.

[Gman]

That's about when it flat-lines.

[brutal]

I thought that vehicle registration generally went down year after year on the same vehicle. My car is a 2013, and the registration this year is the exact same as last year, down to the cent. $227.23 for a 7 year old sedan.


That's about when it flat-lines.

Did you get hit with the "you own an old worthless car you useless waste of oxygen" fee as well?

FWIW, it should still be going down but there's probably some new or increased fee there from last year.

My 2003 renewal was $72.77 in Aug 2019.

[MrPrena]

I think it is 10th year it gets cheaper. 9th year and 10th year of ownership had a huge change in registration fee.


(damn Writter)

[Gman]

I should have said "plateaus" rather than "flat-lines".

[Irving]

You know how on every cop show there is some fuzzy picture, and some guy sitting in the back of the room saying, "enhance, enhance, ENHANCE?"

That's what I did with my tie-rods.

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[ray1970]

Tie rods. Lol. Where?s the rack and pinion?

[Gman]

You know how on every cop show there is some fuzzy picture, and some guy sitting in the back of the room saying, "enhance, enhance, ENHANCE?"


http://youtu.be/KiqkclCJsZs

[Irving]

Tie rods. Lol. Where?s the rack and pinion?

The Amigo has rack and pinion, but the Troopers got tie rods, and apparently weak ones at that. The upgraded version is ends from an F-150 and the center shaft is from something like a Chrysler Sebring.

[MrPrena]

^
Any cool updates on Trooper?

[Irving]

Nothing substantial yet. A lot of this stuff is maintenance with upgrades. Started on ball joints, tie rods, and axles last night. I have lift springs for the back, but changed my mind on what I bought so I need to return and get something else. Clutch is here waiting to be installed, and low range gears and some shocks are in transit. The Isuzu transfer case is small and is only 2.07:1. The crawl gears are only 3:1 (Toyotas can fit 4:1 in their case) but the difference should be significant. I've purchased the steel for sliders, but want all the parts installed before I start doing that.

[ray1970]

The upgraded version is ends from an F-150 and the center shaft is from something like a Chrysler Sebring.

If you think about it, it?s sort of sad when Chrysler Sebring parts are an upgrade for your vehicle.

[crays]

If you think about it, it?s sort of sad when Chrysler Sebring parts are an upgrade for your vehicle.

No offense intended to Irving, but that ^^^ made me chuckle out loud.

[Irving]

That's the FIRST thing that came to mind. Second was, why does the Sebring need such a large tie rod shaft? Probably shared parts between vehicles. Or the need for stronger frame on a convertible, combined with the driving of the kind of person who would actually buy a convertible (and a Sebring to boot!) in the first place. Who knows?

[Erni]

Irv, what are your thought so far on Moog problem solver parts? I need to work on the suburbsn front end but I am in analysis paralysis hell. Moog vs ACDelco Pro, vs OE ACDelco parts.
Moog should be better but some folks said they are overly stiff and the steering sucks for the first 15k. Not thrilled with ACD Pro execution on some parts but found some discussion how they are far superior. The OE parts, well they lasted 90k miles, not sure if that is as good as it gets on the suburban, or Moog/pro would do better.

Anyway, the whole front of the truck is coming apart for changes and just going with new a arms with parts installed. Just got to decide which parts....

[Erni]

A question on raising the truck front end. The suburban has the front a bit lower than the back. Since I am changing the fronts I thought about buying the raised swaybar keys and adjusting the front up by an inch. Anyone got experiance with this? Good/bad?

[Irving]

I don't have a ton of experience with how long replacement parts last with respect to suspension. I'm a big fan of OEM for things like electronics and water pumps. I did all this same suspension stuff on my Amigo and it's been something like 14k and everything seems fine. Moog just seems to be what people recommend. I like that they have Zerg fittings and that seems to be a selling point, plus I don't feel they are overly expensive. Everything I'm replacing on Trooper is completely shot, so even factory parts would make a world of difference. Moog is nice that they have a big catalog of parts to mix and match and make upgrades if you can, which is exactly what that tie rod is.

[Irving]

Is there Suburban a torsion bar front end? That's what all the Isuzus are.

[Gman]

Is there Suburban a torsion bar front end? That's what all the Isuzus are.

I think it depends on the model year and if it's 2WD or 4WD. I seem to recall they got away from the torsion bars in the front, but I can't recall when?

[Irving]

If it's torsion bars, you shouldn't need extended anything. When you lift, you are just moving the resting point of the control arms up. So you lose down travel and gain up travel. If you go up too high (past 3" on my platform) the spring rate turns very harsh and your CV axles are at extreme angles and tearing boots will be common. At that point you can do a front diff drop that will lower your diff and give you better CV angles. On my platform, people do a ball joint flip where they install the upper ball joints under the upper control arm instead of on top where it is from factory. This is just to allow you to still get a proper alignment.

I wouldn't expect to run into any of these issues only lifting an inch, unless the ifs components on a Suburban are unusually short. You won't need longer shocks or anything because the shock travel doesn't change.

[ray1970]

I?ve seen more than a few broken torsion bars on the front of GM trucks when people crank them up lift the front end. I think the purpose of the offset torsion keys was to allow the lift without adding additional twists to the torsion bars.

[Irving]

I think I've read that somewhere. There are about zero, and dwindling, aftermarket parts for Isuzu stuff so those keys aren't available. I bought HD torsion bars for my Amigo and they were something like $400. The same bars for my Trooper are something like $650. Ridiculous when you can get stuff like that for an S-10 for like $150. I'm not going that route this time. If I decide to go big or go home, I'll just SAS it.

[Erni]

Thanks. Yeah, the torsion bars are on this model suburbans. With the minor adjustment I think CV joints should last, but the angle will increase.

Any issue with reducing the down travel for a 95%+ daily driver?

[Irving]

I can't see any. You probably have something like 4-5" of total travel.

[Martinjmpr]

I think it depends on the model year and if it's 2WD or 4WD. I seem to recall they got away from the torsion bars in the front, but I can't recall when?

Half ton (1500) Suburban/Silverado went to coilovers with the GMT900 platform (2007 for Suburban/Tahoe and I think 2008 for the pickups.) AFAIK the 2500/3500 (3/4 ton and 1 ton) trucks remained torsion bar.

[MrPrena]

I saw a red isuzu trooper with golf acura front logo near 120th yesterday.

[Irving]

Not me, mine is laid up in surgery. I do see more of them than I thought I would

[Erni]

Spent a day figuring out pn for front cv boots. Dude at ecs kept insisting its the non 'A' suffix pn. Finally found a knowledgable dude at the dealer. He said its the A suffix part. The non A suffix part is the rear boots. Same basic PN.
He also told me keep good care of inner boots, as some of those cv joints are no longer made and new ones require different output shafts. Wow. Good to know.

[brutal]

Spent a day figuring out pn for front cv boots. Dude at ecs kept insisting its the non 'A' suffix pn. Finally found a knowledgable dude at the dealer. He said its the A suffix part. The non A suffix part is the rear boots. Same basic PN.
He also told me keep good care of inner boots, as some of those cv joints are no longer made and new ones require different output shafts. Wow. Good to know.

My guy gets them rebuilt somewhere.

[Erni]

My guy gets them rebuilt somewhere.
Probably should do that, except I am ocd about my cars. Plus I would be down a car for a few days. This should be a 4 hour job even for my slow but.

[brutal]

Probably should do that, except I am ocd about my cars. Plus I would be down a car for a few days. This should be a 4 hour job even for my slow but.

By "rebuilt" I think he still does core exchanges on them.

[brutal]

P.S.

Don't buy parts from 034, they don't stand behind any of their stuff.

[Irving]

Having some surprises with my CV axles as well.

[ray1970]

Having some surprises with my CV axles as well.

Maybe you could upgrade them with some Chrysler parts?

[Irving]

Just the inside cups are different shapes and I don't know of that is normal or not. I might check out some PT Cruisers at the junk yard this weekend though.

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[Erni]

Just the inside cups are different shapes and I don't know of that is normal or not. I might check out some PT Cruisers at the junk yard this weekend though.

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Yes. Outside is a swiveling ball bearing. Inside are bearings that slide inside the long cup to adjust for length. Inside and outside cups use different grease allegedly.

[Irving]

Those are both the inside ends.

[Erni]

Wierd. Mismatched set? Or Isuzu being stupid?

[Irving]

I'm not sure. I haven't gotten around to asking on the Isuzu board, as it's pretty slow now a days. I'm thinking that the cup doesn't really matter since I bet the inside shafts are the same, but in order to change that I have to drop the whole diff and that just isn't going to happen this time around. Either way it's annoying because if I want to carry a spare axle, now I've got to carry two.

[Irving]

Okay, so here is the deal with the CV cups. On the right is factory, and on the left is the aftermarket. Usually when you replace an axle, you just do the outer, so all the remans are the OEM style. However, if you buy a complete axle, I think the companies use the tripod style like you see on the left. As long as the spline count is the same, it doesn't really matter.
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Now I've got to grind everything flat and get it all painted. I complain about how easy this is on whatever model Toyotas, but the videos I saw you only put a 1" spacer under the front two bolts and ignore the back bolts. So those guys only get 1/2" of diff drop, which doesn't seem like much. Mine is a full 1.5" drop, and I'm probably only going to lift it 2". I'll also notch the cross member that goes right under the diff. Notching it saves all your ground clearance as opposed to just lowering the bolt holes. I can fit 33's with no lift and maybe a little rubbing. I think with a 2" suspension lift I might be able to stuff 35's. I'm considering doing a 1/2"-1" body lift. I used to be opposed to body lifts, but it feels like 2" suspension and 1" body lift might raise the center of gravity less than a full 3" suspension lift. I'm not sure how the math works out. Also, I only need like 1/2" body lift to mount sliders to the frame without cutting the pinch weld along the bottom of the body.

Oh yeah, the low gears arrived.
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[Great-Kazoo]

your welds are looking good.

All i did was replace an injector on the jeep. 1 injector from parts store $53. Online 6 for $75, 2-3 week ship time. 1 it is.

[Erni]

Nice job. I would sugest extending the side flanges to the end of the plate edges too. Right now the outside bolts will do little to support the diff.

[Gman]

Those welds look pretty good!

You're putting a lot of work into that old Isuzu.

[Irving]

Thanks guys. There isn't really a way to extend the sides beyond just welding on more metal. This is pretty much the way it gets done on these; even when you order custom brackets from a company for $300 or whatever. Just judging from all the other guys that did all this stuff a decade ago and still have rigs that are holding up, I'm not worried about it much. The brackets really only hold the weight of the diff which feels like less than 100lbs.

[Duman]

You obviously didn't go to the Helen Keller school of welding, like I did. [Coffee]

[Erni]

Updates on the trooper?

I just ordered a ton of parts for the kids car. Fluid changes from front to back and a CV rebuild.

Not going to say this will be fun. But there is something enjoyable about getting tasks accomplished on cars.

[Irving]

Spent a full two hours grinding those welds flat last night. I don't understand how I managed to get such thick welds with how large of gap I had to fill. Now I need wire brush the brackets and prime and paint. Still need to source OEM axle. Need to return the first lift coils (for the rear) that I ordered, as I have different ones and shocks in route. A Lokka for the front is also on the way. Can't wait to get everything back together and actually be able to use the 4wd, but I'm still pretty far away. Still have the clutch and low gears to do.

[UncleDave]

Stu, you are going how wild on that thing! Long live the $50 car!!

[Erni]

Well replaced the CV boot. Taking off the axle and getting the old boot off and new one on was easy and done in 2 hours. Then I needed to install the ear clamps and things went south. Broke two of the cheap ear clamp pliers, only ones local. No one had the good Lisle pliers. Frack! So ended up going to HF and buying the biggest pinch cutters (?) I could find. Then I busted out the grinder and reshaped them to work as ear clamp pliers. Stupid german ear clamps are tough! But got that done, after sever car store trips. Then install into the car was easy. Annnnd then I had to torque the hub to CV bolt. Stupid german torque requirement. 150ft-lb is easy with a 1/2" torque wrench, but the 180 degrees additional was just stupid. After 45 degrees broke a 1/2" extension. New extension got me another 20 degrees and then even with the cheat bar I was stuck. Another trip to the HF, more tools including 36" 3/4" bar. Had to run that thing with my cheater bar for a length of about 4 feet. I estimate the final torque was 400 to 600 ft-lb.
Its done, I am sore as frack, spent more on tool then I wanted to. But its done and gtg.

Stu if you want to borrow some kick ass ear clamp pliers for the CVs let me know.

[Irving]

Ha, thanks. I still need to pick up my CVs. I contacted the guy on the Isuzu board that can still get factory new parts. He kindly informed me that a new OEM axle goes for over $900!!! He also said I should be able to get the OEM style from Advanced Auto. Thank goodness.

[Erni]

Wow, thats more than the Audi axles.
As long as the shaft and tripod cup is good, I think the joint kits are not too bad from afermarket vendors.

[Erni]

Well I did a rear diff top off, Haldex fluid and filter, engine oil, and then the DSG transmission fluid change.
Rear diff was 35ml short and the dusty oily surface around the CV shafts shows it. I will do that this summer, it can keep till then. Will put together a list of part and get to it when I can.
Screwed up the dsg, need to remove the drain tube. Luckily I had extra liquid and no biggie. Trans feels better but still needs a drive to adapt.
In general fluids were dirty but not too bad, so I think this car was well maintained and not abused.
I got a second jack and with ramps and cribbing under the wheels I felt safe idling the car 6" in the air.

Next projext is the suburban front end. Close to $1k in parts but beets a new truck payment. A arms, steering, front diff seals. 2 days unless something goes pear shaped. Hope to get this done before quarantine ends and I need to drive daily.

[Irving]

I'm on week three of my two day project.

[Erni]

I'm on week three of my two day project.
Sounds like you are ahead then. [emoji1]

[Irving]

I've bought and returned three axles from different retailers now, and even checked a few in store that I didn't buy.

[Linkless]

Screwed up the dsg, need to remove the drain tube. Luckily I had extra liquid and no biggie. Trans feels better but still needs a drive to adapt.


What happened with the dsg? I get to change mine out in the coming weeks along with an oil change on my S6. I am planning to put all 4 corners up on Rhino Ramps and may raise the air suspension if I need extra clearance.

[Erni]

What happened with the dsg? I get to change mine out in the coming weeks along with an oil change on my S6. I am planning to put all 4 corners up on Rhino Ramps and may raise the air suspension if I need extra clearance.
DSG has a plug on the drain. But there is also a tube under the plug. You need to remove the tube in order to drain the fluid. I forgot to remove the tube. Then after filling about a quart of new fluid my brain said: "this is all wrong". So removed tube, drained, and then I luckily had a spare dsg fluid kit. Ordered one from FCP and then someone wanted $50 for a VW OE kit and I picked it up. Pentosin is the makers of the fluid for VW per internet. So I ran 5 quarts of VW, and half a quart of Pentosin. Pentosin looked and smelled identical, so fairly sure that might be right.
If you are ok running Pentosin in your DSG I got 5 quarts I can run you a deal on. Also have the 6spd filter from FCP, but that says "O.E." something. From FCP it sounded like it was OE, not a company calling itself OE. So not sure about that thing.

Right after fluid change the gears started grabbing during the warm up. So something changed, and I suspect the better shear and lower filter back pressure were throwing the trans off. After warm up and a few more stationary shifts it calmed down, and feels? better now.

You got vcds or something else?

[Erni]

I've bought and returned three axles from different retailers now, and even checked a few in store that I didn't buy.
Wut? Why?

[MrPrena]

FCP Euro. Cost 1-10% more than ECS Tuning, but offers life time parts exchange.

[Irving]

Because all the after market complete axles come with that tri-pod style inside axle cup. I'm having a hell of a time locating an OEM style one. I asked my contact that can still get factory parts and he's telling me that a new able from factory is over $900! That's ridiculous.

[Erni]

So is the tripod worse than oem style?

[Irving]

According to some people sure. That's not really the issue though. The issue is that to replace a whole axle, you have to drop the diff completely, which is an hours long job which should never really have to be done. When you buy a half shaft, it just comes with the inside joint exposed. You fill it with grease, slid it into the cup, and zip tie the boot. So the problem is that any half shaft you buy comes with the OEM style inside joint because those inside cups don't really wear out. So if I ever broke an axle again, I'd have to buy a complete aftermarket and just throw away the cup every time. Also, I'd have to carry both styles of axles with me on wheeling trips as spares in case I break one. I might have rambled a bit, let me know if that didn't make sense.

[Erni]

Catching up with you. I would probably swap to what is most widely available. Take a hit now, swap both axles to aftermarket, heck buy 3 of them. Put 2 in, keep the half shaft as a spare, call it done.
I get trying to keep it stock and oem, but at some point the ocd is not worth it.

[Irving]

That's the rub. All half shafts are OEM style. It's just finding the OEM inside cup that is elusive. Think I might head to the junk yard and see how difficult it would be to drop the axle in the dirt. Probably a lot easier when I don't care about it and can leave all the parts off. Hell, that Trooper I just took to the junkyard will probably be the one.

[Erni]

Ok with you now. Let me know if you want to borrow the HF trans jack I have. It should prevent the axle from dropping on your head.

[Irving]

Thanks. Axle is out already because I decided to do the diff drop and install the lunchbox locker while I'm at it. I forgot about the part where you gently Jack it down. Can't use Jack's at the junkyard anyway.

[ray1970]

Can't use Jack's at the junkyard anyway.

Well, that's a dumb rule.

[whitewalrus]

I haven't known any junkyard to allow jacks to be used. Guess they do not want people dropping things on themselves. You have to use their pickers and such.

[Linkless]

DSG has a plug on the drain. But there is also a tube under the plug. You need to remove the tube in order to drain the fluid. I forgot to remove the tube. Then after filling about a quart of new fluid my brain said: "this is all wrong". So removed tube, drained, and then I luckily had a spare dsg fluid kit. Ordered one from FCP and then someone wanted $50 for a VW OE kit and I picked it up. Pentosin is the makers of the fluid for VW per internet. So I ran 5 quarts of VW, and half a quart of Pentosin. Pentosin looked and smelled identical, so fairly sure that might be right.
If you are ok running Pentosin in your DSG I got 5 quarts I can run you a deal on. Also have the 6spd filter from FCP, but that says "O.E." something. From FCP it sounded like it was OE, not a company calling itself OE. So not sure about that thing.

Right after fluid change the gears started grabbing during the warm up. So something changed, and I suspect the better shear and lower filter back pressure were throwing the trans off. After warm up and a few more stationary shifts it calmed down, and feels? better now.

You got vcds or something else?

Mine looks to be completely different in the fact the pan has to come off to change the internal filter. Double bonus if having an external filter as well. I have had my vcds forevere, got it for my 2001 S4 initially. I am not seeing the Pentosin listed in any of the kits for my car so i think I will pass but appreciate the offer.

[ray1970]

I haven't known any junkyard to allow jacks to be used. Guess they do not want people dropping things on themselves. You have to use their pickers and such.

Well, I guess that makes sense to limit liability or whatever.

Fairly certain in the 1980?s I used a jack but that was different times for sure.

Probably haven?t pulled anything other than a couple of body parts in the last thirty years or so.

[Erni]

Does anyone have a 4x4/offroad shop in the Longmontish area they can recomend?
I got some questions about leveling or slightly raising my suburban that I cant settle on.

I did figure out that I like my Suburban enough to not replace it with something smaller more offroady.

[Irving]

What are your questions?

[hurley842002]

Does anyone have a 4x4/offroad shop in the Longmontish area they can recomend?
I got some questions about leveling or slightly raising my suburban that I cant settle on.

I did figure out that I like my Suburban enough to not replace it with something smaller more offroady.There is some extensive knowledge between several of the members here, that likely goes well beyond the very basic information you are seeking in regards to suspension leveling. Ask your questions, perhaps someone has an answer that will safe you time and possibly money.

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[brutal]

Neat toy

https://www.blocklayer.com/rpm-gear.aspx

[ray1970]

Not sure if it necessarily counts as anything vehicle related but I stumbled across a few YouTube videos of people building drift trikes and it looked like a lot of fun. Definitely something I have no business doing but the temptation is there.

[Irving]

Wait till you see people putting litter bike engines into lawn tractors or snowmobile engines into single seat go-karts.

[ChickNorris]

Not sure if it necessarily counts as anything vehicle related but I stumbled across a few YouTube videos of people building drift trikes and it looked like a lot of fun. Definitely something I have no business doing but the temptation is there.

I have 2 drift trikes. Neener.

[ray1970]

I got to ride a buddy's home built go cart with a 600 street bike engine once. It was stupid fun.

The thing I also liked about the drift trike builds was it seemed like you could build one for peanuts. Most of the gas powered ones looked to be using some sort of cheap, Chinese dirt bike engines. One guy did a sweet electric build that would make Jer proud.

[ray1970]

I have 2 drift trikes. Neener.

I kind of giggle picturing you and the hubby having some sort of Mario cart races.

[buffalobo]

Wait till you see people putting litter bike engines into lawn tractors or snowmobile engines into single seat go-karts.We built a cart with a 440 Kawasaki snowmobile engine on it. Couldn't keep it on the track. Pulled the engine and put it on a scaled down sand rail to run the dobe's.

[MrPrena]

Tip for eurocar drivers:
As you know NAPA have many of many sales. During that sale+promotion+online coupon etc, it can actually be much cheaper than popular online stores.

Now the real juice.
Sometimes walmart online would have a super sale on fluids. Have them send it to Walmart and it can be rewarding. I once bought 9qt of (avg price 15.99/qt) 10w-60 oil for 8.99 at a walmart online.

[Aardvark]

Hope I'm not breaking protocol. Anyone out there have a Lexus Rx330 or 350? How do they do in CO snows? How about going up the high passes?

[Gman]

Hope I'm not breaking protocol. Anyone out there have a Lexus Rx330 or 350? How do they do in CO snows? How about going up the high passes?

All right. Who let this guy in here? [facepalm]

[Sarcasm2][Coffee]

Protocol? There's a protocol? [panic]

[brutal]

Wait till you see people putting litter bike engines into lawn tractors or snowmobile engines into single seat go-karts.

We built a go-kart with a 440 Ski-Doo engine and G-60 series 15" wheels/tires on the back (shows my age) and little 8" kart wheels on the front. Wicked fast and wicked squirrely.

[Erni]

There is some extensive knowledge between several of the members here, that likely goes well beyond the very basic information you are seeking in regards to suspension leveling. Ask your questions, perhaps someone has an answer that will safe you time and possibly money.

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Ok, I gave it some though and here it is.

Use case: I want to use my suburban to go off into the mountains more and just hang out and explore. For instance when it gets snowy like this go somewhere on a mountain road and get out and just chill out. And when it is warm take a few trails and let myself and doggo enjoy a night under the stars. No need to have a prerunner or rockcrawler, just something that will get me there and back. The suburban is a great truck for our family as it seems to be just the right size for road trips, and I hope to squeeze in a few more before the kids start their lives.
Modifications: The suburban has the Chevy rake and the front is about 2 inches lower. This never bothered me too much, but since I am working on the front end now is the time. Plus that looks a) bad for an off-road truck b) looks like a good way to mess up the front end off-roading.
Ideally I level out the front by raising it about 2 inches. I can do that with new keys but then I am reducing the down travel of the wheels. This seems like a bad thing, and I think having a mostly symmetric up/down travel is the way to go. Not really interested in jacking this thing up, but maybe a 4" lift kit with 2" in back to get it level is the way to go? Larger tires are not really in the mix right now - I would like to go 33"+ but to do it right it means front and rear diff gear ratio change. Plus the truck would go up by 5" in the front and probably look funny with the 31" on there right now. Also I don't want to go too high, so that it fits in the garage for service and work (HOA nazzis).

So I have no experience with this and want to make the right choice without screwing this up or having to redo the whole thing in a few years. Open to suggestions and guidance on where to look and who to talk to. Also, if the cost of this upgrade reaches the equivalent cost of buying something like an LR3 or a more off-road capable rig of similar size then maybe that is the way to go. And if I am off my rocker feel free to point me in the right direction. Thanks.

[Irving]

I'll have to respond later, but so far it looks like you're over thinking. Everything you described can be done with your stock suburban. Whole the front might look lower, due to independent front suspension, I bet you have the same clearance under both diffs, if not more in the front. Also, you won't really notice losing the down travel. It means you'll potentially lift a tire sooner, but the increased CV axle angles would be a bigger deal.

[Erni]

I'll have to respond later, but so far it looks like you're over thinking. Everything you described can be done with your stock suburban. Whole the front might look lower, due to independent front suspension, I bet you have the same clearance under both diffs, if not more in the front. Also, you won't really notice losing the down travel. It means you'll potentially lift a tire sooner, but the increased CV axle angles would be a bigger deal.
So if I got this right:

1. Stop overthining.
2. Just order the parts with the 2" key.
3. Get ready for frequent CV replacement.

How frequent? 50k, 200k?

[Irving]

So I raised my front end about 2" and haven't broken a CV. It's only been 14k miles, but my vehicle is not a daily driver, so a good portion of those miles have been on fire roads while hunting all over the state. I've done some wheeling, but nothing very technical.

My comment about over thinking was more about getting a 4" lift, because to go that far likely requires a level of custom building that you don't want to do, or pay for, for what you'd get. I think with a full size rig, you'll more often run into fitting on a trail, or dragging your ass end around everywhere.

Just because you lift, doesn't mean you HAVE to lift 2". I'd look at your axle angles now and see what's up. Also look around on line and see what guys with the same vehicle have gone with and their results. Light off-roading like you've described shouldn't put too much of a strain on your axles.

What size tires do you have now? Going from a 31" to a 33" might not bother you all that much as far as gearing. You'll mostly notice that on the street though. Once you are in 4-lo it's less of an issue.

[Irving]

On another note, I got my front Lokka installed.

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Still need inside axle cup. Half the vehicles at pull n pay have the aftermarket. Worked on one for an hour before I noticed it had the wrong damn cup. Now I need another bearing as well from the long side of the front axle. When I finally drop an axle at the pull n pay, I plan to take as many of the relevant parts as possible while I'm there.

[ray1970]

I?ve been lots of places in my truck with zero suspension mods. You just have to know your limits.

One of the most entertaining things I watched out on the trails was a guy with a lifted suburban going somewhere he shouldn?t have gone. He messed that thing up pretty good on some big rocks mostly because of the long wheelbase and the horrible approach and departure angles. Two guys with Jeeps finally helped get his unstuck but not before plenty of body damage.

[brutal]

I see grease on the ring gear.

Doesn't this diff require pinion depth and backlash adjustments once you change things?

[Irving]

I see grease on the ring gear.

Doesn't this diff require pinion depth and backlash adjustments once you change things?

Yes and yes. In this case you remove the ring gear, but you don't touch the pinon which sets the backlash. So everything should be the same. The instructions, and all the install videos, have people using grease to install the locker. I haven't put it back together yet beyond the last photo, so I can still clean that grease off. When I put everything back together, it all spins fine, but feels a little more "sticky" than before. Not sticky like a mechanical interference, just sticky like I wiped a lot of lube off during the break down and it got replaced with grease. I put grease on that ring gear to see if there was a difference, but I couldn't tell. I need to research if I need to clean that all out before I put the diff oil in. Good to point it out.

[Irving]

After two days and probably four hours of rolling around in the mud at the pull n pay, buying a few new tools, ruining some clothes, and getting a hand from at least one random dude walking by, I finally was able to drop an axle and get what I needed. I really didn't want to go this way, but after buying and returning at least four different axles, and looking at, at least two others in store without buying, I was able to determine that I can't buy the OEM style inside cup. Having this weekend project turn into something that was taking a month was really pissing me off and gave me the motivation to just man up and get it done.

I would have grabbed the entire diff in case I screwed up my locker install, but the gear ratio is different in most other models. Same diff though.
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Parts I need!
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Oh baby.
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Pulled the long section of the axle as well, since I screwed up a bearing on mine.
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Progress finally being made. Diff drop brackets. I posted up all the paint colors I had on my Instagram and told people to pick. Of course all my friends picked Wildflower blue for the brackets.
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Here I am using the tip I read on the internet. You use a zip tie to hold inside snap rings tight. Then when installed you cut or burn the zip tie out. Worked pretty well, but I'm not at all confident that I got all the pieces of the zip tie out. I'm also not worried about it since the bearing spun freely and the only part seemed to be melted into the eye of the snap ring.
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Now I can finally start putting everything back together and finish the suspension.
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I'm going to make a goblet out of that freaking after market axle cup. I deserve it after this stupid goose chase.
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I'd rather use the OEM style though since it'd hold more beer. Maybe I'll grab one off some other truck the next time I'm at the yard.
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[Irving]

Side note: Here is how the 4wd is actuated on this vehicle.

The top part is what connects to the outside axle cup, and therefor spins with the CV axle.
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There is a ring with a groove in it. A two prong fork slides around that ring.
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When you push the 4WD button, the fork is vacuum actuated and slides the ring up over the top shaft, connecting both shafts. This means that the transfer case is ALWAYS spinning the front driveshaft, front diff, and this long shaft, at all times. Only when the 4WD button is pushed are the CV axles engaged. This is also why you don't really save any gas mileage by getting manual hubs. It makes the steering a bit lighter, but you don't feel the increased peppy-ness that you do when you disconnect the front drive shaft.
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[Irving]

If anyone ever sees this car up in Fort Collins, it's my buddy!

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[MrPrena]

^ May I ask what is it made with/outof?

[Irving]

It started life as a 4th gen Camaro. Like this. I saw it the day he bought it. He swung by and had two wheels strapped to the top of the trunk lid.

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[MrPrena]

Wow!
Never imagined it was from Camero. My initial guess was from Civic Si or Golf.

[Irving]

Yeah this is a bad mamma jamma. He was going to use a C4 Vette at some point I think.

[ray1970]

Needs some knobby tires for running the dunes.

[Irving]

He put some on at some point. Something ridiculous too, like 13-14" wide. Heck the street tires on there now are that wide I think.

[hurley842002]

Side note: Here is how the 4wd is actuated on this vehicle.

The top part is what connects to the outside axle cup, and therefor spins with the CV axle.
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There is a ring with a groove in it. A two prong fork slides around that ring.
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When you push the 4WD button, the fork is vacuum actuated and slides the ring up over the top shaft, connecting both shafts. This means that the transfer case is ALWAYS spinning the front driveshaft, front diff, and this long shaft, at all times. Only when the 4WD button is pushed are the CV axles engaged. This is also why you don't really save any gas mileage by getting manual hubs. It makes the steering a bit lighter, but you don't feel the increased peppy-ness that you do when you disconnect the front drive shaft.
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[Irving]

My first day to the pull and pay was a bit of a bust, so I ended up helping the guy across from me get parts off the front end of an Xterra.

I definitely should have bought an Xterra instead of my Amigo all those years ago.

[hurley842002]

My first day to the pull and pay was a bit of a bust, so I ended up helping the guy across from me get parts off the front end of an Xterra.

I definitely should have bought an Xterra instead of my Amigo all those years ago.I can only speak for the second generation, but they are definitely very basic as far as design is concerned, and quite robust seeing as how they share a frame with their full size brethren. Ideally, once I get mine paid off, I'd like to do a Titan front suspension swap, and possibly even a Titan V8, it's all pretty much plug and play.

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[Irving]

Do the Titans have longer control arms, or bigger brakes, or both? Xterras still use leafs in the rear right?

[hurley842002]

Do the Titans have longer control arms, or bigger brakes, or both? Xterras still use leafs in the rear right?Both I believe, longer control arms for sure, which allows for excellent travel with the proper suspension components, fortunately it's such a popular swap that there is a ton of options. If you wanted a newer/reliable and cost effective rig, I highly recommend the Xterra. Obviously not nearly as popular as the 4runner, but the price will reflect that, and there are still enough upgrade options available to make it a decent investment, and with the Frontier still being produced and unchanged through 2020 so far, you can still find plenty of parts.

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[Irving]

I'm invested with the Trooper now. I like that Xterras have factory e-lockers. What kind of rear end do they have?

[Irving]

Got that heavy bitch back up in there.
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A lot more room on those bolts with the lower diff. Not that I'll ever need access to them.
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About scratched all that paint right off getting it in there.
Now to reassemble the knuckles and get the new ball joints, axles, shocks, and tie-rods all connected.
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[Erni]

Nice. How do you accomplish the front lift?

[brutal]

Got that heavy bitch back up in there.


I'm curious why you wouldn't clean those cups out before assembly?

[Irving]

Nice. How do you accomplish the front lift?

There aren't torsion keys for me. I have to crank the bars to tighten them up. Should be roughly 4 turns per inch. There is a big bolt on the back of where the bars mount and you turn that to lift the front.

I'm curious why you wouldn't clean those cups out before assembly?

Because I was tired of cleaning and getting covered in grease and diff oil for the past few days. I'll wipe them out before I put the new axles in. Just going to get filled with more grease anyway.

[brutal]

There aren't torsion keys for me. I have to crank the bars to tighten them up. Should be roughly 4 turns per inch. There is a big bolt on the back of where the bars mount and you turn that to lift the front.



Does that need to be performed by a licensed professional overhead garage door spring installer?

[brutal]

Well farts.

New truck got a little whacked while parked at the dealer after a service. Still don't know who did it. Lot monkey claims it wasn't him. Mechanic claims it wasn't him. Sure as F wasn't me.

381 miles on the clock.

Fortunately just the flare.


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[ray1970]

Throw a fit. The dealer should fix it for you.

[brutal]

Throw a fit. The dealer should fix it for you.

Had five guys out there looking at it fawning over their apologies. Part is ordered.

Now I just have to decide what I'm going to ask for extra.

I'm thinking first oil and fuel filter service.

Fuel filters (there are 2) and oil change service (12 qts T6), which I would normally do myself, is $180 in parts plus their labor. I think they charge $425 total.

Too much?

[ray1970]

Go for it.

I bet they?ll do it to keep their customer happy.

[ChickNorris]

Just make sure the whistle-dicks put the oil cap back on before you leave the lot. Just saying.


Might want them to address the panel gaps while they're at it.

[Erni]

Had five guys out there looking at it fawning over their apologies. Part is ordered.

Now I just have to decide what I'm going to ask for extra.

I'm thinking first oil and fuel filter service.

Fuel filters (there are 2) and oil change service (12 qts T6), which I would normally do myself, is $180 in parts plus their labor. I think they charge $425 total.

Too much?
Ask for 3, accept 1.

[Gman]

Had five guys out there looking at it fawning over their apologies. Part is ordered.

Now I just have to decide what I'm going to ask for extra.

I'm thinking first oil and fuel filter service.

Fuel filters (there are 2) and oil change service (12 qts T6), which I would normally do myself, is $180 in parts plus their labor. I think they charge $425 total.

Too much?

The worse that can happen is they say "no".

[brutal]

Just make sure the whistle-dicks put the oil cap back on before you leave the lot. Just saying.


Might want them to address the panel gaps while they're at it.

I normally do all my own fluid service because I trust no one.

It was there for, among other things, a cab/bed alignment that was a full 1" off side-side!

I posted the pic somewhere in this thread a while back.

The only thing that's a bit off now is the driver side headlight/trim and the center grill section both need to shift to the pass side an RCH. Not sure if there's any adjustment there at all.

[MrPrena]

I am not good with bodywork, but minor bumper work is needed.
All I need is top coat from autozone/adv auto.

What I have so far.

'Bondo in an epoxy type syringe.
Special ordered touchup spray (base).
Dealership ordered touchup pen
Sand paper.
A bucket to cover my entire head for screaming, just in case I mess this up really bad.

[Erni]

I am not good with bodywork, but minor bumper work is needed.
All I need is top coat from autozone/adv auto.

What I have so far.

'Bondo in an epoxy type syringe.
Special ordered touchup spray (base).
Dealership ordered touchup pen
Sand paper.
A bucket to cover my entire head for screaming, just in case I mess this up really bad.
Tape and paper for masking.
Beer.
Phone for youtube searches.
Beer.

[MrPrena]

Forgot to mention that I do have a masking tape and tablet ready for youtube.

I just need to get the Beer, beer holder, or someone who will hold my beer. :)

[Irving]

I'm struggling to get my knuckle assembled again. Everything is taken apart, but I can't seem to find the magic combination for the order everything is reassembled.

[Erni]

I'm struggling to get my knuckle assembled again. Everything is taken apart, but I can't seem to find the magic combination for the order everything is reassembled.
Cv axle too long?

[Erni]

Forgot to mention that I do have a masking tape and tablet ready for youtube.

I just need to get the Beer, beer holder, or someone who will hold my beer. :)
Forgot about cleaner. Wash and clean the surface and make sure residual wax and grime is removed. Dawn removes grease and wax well, but so should other dish soaps. Wipe with paint compatible chems like alcohol or whatever is recomended.
Prep is the key here.

[whitewalrus]

Had five guys out there looking at it fawning over their apologies. Part is ordered.

Now I just have to decide what I'm going to ask for extra.

I'm thinking first oil and fuel filter service.

Fuel filters (there are 2) and oil change service (12 qts T6), which I would normally do myself, is $180 in parts plus their labor. I think they charge $425 total.

Too much?

$425 for basic maintenance? Sounds like the diesels are too expensive to own these days.

[brutal]

$425 for basic maintenance? Sounds like the diesels are too expensive to own these days.

10K miles/annual.

That's why I do it myself for around $180.

Diesels are expensive to maintain, no doubt. Not saying you can't with a gasser, but I wouldn't pull with anything else.

[Gman]

...or someone who will hold my beer. :)
...and a 6-foot straw.

[MrPrena]

I didn't top coat yet, but it came out ugly. I can still see the very small stress lines. I might need sand it down, and bondo more.

[Irving]

Cv axle too long?

Nah, the speed sensor for the ABS needed to be disconnected to get enough articulation. Now I'm having trouble getting the tie-rods to seat. I took them out and measured them and they are actually smaller in diameter than the factory ones. I might put them in the freezer for a few hours and try torching the knuckle when I got to put them in.

[MrPrena]

Put a bondo and made the surface smooth. Problem is that I can still see a bondo mark after 5th base coat. I would need to continue this project well over tomorrow.

[Irving]

So after a few minor difficulties here and there, everything is back together. Thanks for the help on the tie-rod KS63.

I used a square clamped to each rotor to set a basic alignment that is good enough to get me to an alignment shop. I didn't put the lock nuts on the tie rod and after driving the truck for about 50 miles and watching the steering wheel move a bit more each time I drove it, it finally occurred to me what I had done, and then I got to do the whole thing a second time. Otherwise, it worked pretty well.
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Here it is with the Amigo that I sold a few minutes after taking this picture.
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The rear springs and shocks were easy compared to the front. Only took about an hour and a half, and most of that was dealing with a rusted on shock bolt that we just ended up cutting off. At full droop, the springs pretty much just popped out, so I'm concerned with having a way to keep them from falling out at full flex on one side or the other. What have other people done?
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Left is factory Trooper rear spring, center is the OME 2919 (installed) and the right is the BDS 034211--17.25"--240 lbs/in--lift 3.5". I originally bought the BDS but thought it'd be too high and too stiff. I haven't returned the BDS springs because Amazon won't pay the return and the cheapest quote I've gotten for shipping is 50% of what I paid for the springs.
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CV angle on the Amigo without a diff drop
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CV angle on the Trooper with diff drop. I think the Trooper is lifted a bit less, but still very happy about those CV angles.
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I've got a 1" body lift on the way from Classic City Overland, but not sure if I'll install it yet. I want to be as low as possible, but I don't want to clip the seam weld on the bottom of the rockers to fit sliders.

[Erni]

Very nice. Ironically with this angle you will probably bever break a half shaft.

Looks like I will be going the other way and increasing my cv shaft angle, just need to choose keys and put together the order.

Wuestion on the cv boots. Are they rubber or plastic? How hard was it to crimp the bands on?

[Irving]

Boots are rubber. They are a pain in the ass to clamp on because you are full of axle grease while you do it. I remember getting advice on this years ago, on here, when I did the Amigo. I used a little Harbor Freight cutter that I filed down the sharp so they were crimpers more than cutters. Also, bend the tightening tab a little before you put it on just to give the crimpers a bit more purchase. It's frustrating at first, but once you figure it out it isn't bad. Just remember that there is a crimp tab that tightens everything up, so don't kill yourself trying to get it tight at first.

[Erni]

Yep, I had to make one of those from a HF cutter too. VW has hard plastic boots, so they are even worse. They make a crimper with a bolt for those and next time I am buying one of those. Too much of a pain otherwise.

[hurley842002]

Very nice Irving, it looks great! I don't have any experience with rear coils outside of installing spacers on my brothers wrangler, but I believe some use limiting straps if your droop is that extreme. I'm also curious what length your shocks are, as that will also limit droop before it gets to the point of losing a spring.

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[Irving]

Like you can see in the picture, they are barely longer than stock. Right now it looks like the real limiting factor is the rear sway bar. i haven't messed around with it much yet though.

[MrPrena]

Assuming both springs are on same "k", that X" difference probably would not matter as it is less than fraction of % of total length.

[Hummer]

It must be some kind of record for performance. My tractor uses two 12v batteries. Last week they failed to hold a charge so I replaced them. The manufacture dates on the batteries were 11-2008 and 3-2009, and I had installed them in March 2009, so I got more than 11 years of service from them. Cheapie Energizers from Sam's Club.

I hope the new batteries last as long. This time Sam's only had the Duracell Ultra Platinum AGM BCI Group 47 for $145 each, which I thought was pricey. Now I see that Autozone, Batteries+ and other parts stores sell the same battery for $70 to $110 more. Sam's for the win.

[hurley842002]

Like you can see in the picture, they are barely longer than stock. Right now it looks like the real limiting factor is the rear sway bar. i haven't messed around with it much yet though.I may have missed the picture of the shocks, I saw the springs. Typically when you lift, you order shocks that will accommodate the full usable up/down travel of the new suspension. Come to think of it, while not tinkering with rear coils, I recall the front coils in my 99 XJ had a steel retaining "strap" that secured the spring to the lower coil bucket on the axle, the upper part of the spring sat in the upper bucket freely, and I recall under extreme flex it would separate from the upper bucket, and the isolator could be moved by hand. Anyway, just thinking out loud at this point.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200428/ae7055075e2b7bd9e124d3821110e261.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200428/da4edcfd61811a50889c33e6b68f6eb7.jpg

ETA: This is also the Jeep that I installed an Aussie locker in the rear end.
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[Irving]

Oh I misread. The shocks are longer for the lift. I didn't do a side by side with the last shocks so I couldn't tell you how much longer.

[Irving]

Where are you guys getting your alignments done? I called a place very close to my house and their standard price is competitive at $80-$90, but he said if it gets difficult because of the lift he bumps the price up to $200. Seems pretty high for an alignment and I didn't have the last shop complain when I did this years ago. I want to say that I took it to Bear Creek Auto, or Lakewood Automotive, but I can't remember and I thought I heard they had a change of ownership. Anyone have a recommendation?

[Erni]

Steves in Longmont is good. No idea if jacked car prices get jacked

[Irving]

I'll give him a call, thanks.

ETA: I called and told him the deal and he said their price is $69.99, so I have an appointment with them later this week

[MrPrena]

The bumper project is going no where. I AGAIN sanded to make it look even. It was back to square one. I will spray 4th and 5th coat tomorrow.

[Erni]

So your guys thoughts. 110k on the truck, steering and loose suspension. Ball joint need to be done. I think I will replace the whole control arms and not just bushings. Price is more, but it sounds like doing the ball joints and rubber bushings takes a few hours.
Thoughts?

[Irving]

If it's not too much more, but saves you a couple of hours, it might be worth it.

[Irving]

The bumper project is going no where. I AGAIN sanded to make it look even. It was back to square one. I will spray 4th and 5th coat tomorrow.

What is the hang up for you? Is it not sanding evenly? Are you using a sanding block?

[whitewalrus]

So your guys thoughts. 110k on the truck, steering and loose suspension. Ball joint need to be done. I think I will replace the whole control arms and not just bushings. Price is more, but it sounds like doing the ball joints and rubber bushings takes a few hours.
Thoughts?

Ball joints aren?t that much more work as you have to remove the knuckle anyway. Using one of the press kits (most auto stores will rent as a free loaner) they come out pretty quickly. If the price savings is worth it and the control arms are in good condition, if replace just the ball joints.

[MrPrena]

What is the hang up for you? Is it not sanding evenly? Are you using a sanding block?

I am now using 120grit which is aggressive to sand. I don't think bondo area evens out as nice even with it.
Will update more as times goes.

[Gman]

Ford’s Lincoln And Rivian Cancel Electric SUV Plans, Citing COVID-19 Impact (https://www.forbes.com/sites/greggardner/2020/04/28/lincoln-rivian-cancel-electric-suv-plans-citing-covid-19-impact/#7f5155886fe1)


Lincoln, Ford F Motor Co.’s luxury brand, has canceled an electric SUV it planned to develop with a technology from Ford’s startup partner Rivian, Automotive News reported Tuesday.

Lincoln and Ford, which has invested more than $500 million in Rivian, will continue to collaborate on other projects, but this specific project was halted due to problems exacerbated by the coronavirus pandemic.

“Given the current environment, Lincoln and Rivian have decided not to pursue development of a fully electric vehicle based on Rivian’s skateboard platform,” according to a statement issued by a Lincoln spokesperson. “This was a decision that was mutually made by Lincoln and Rivian given the rapidly changing environment and after a review of product plans.”

It is unclear exactly how the pandemic affected the project. But the pandemic has set back more than just the production of vehicles. While many salaried engineers have worked remotely during the stay-at-home order in Michigan and other states, progress on future vehicles can be delayed by the inability to work face-to-face with colleagues and suppliers.

Rivian recently announced it will delay the release of its first two vehicles, the R1T pickup truck and the R1S SUV from late this year to early 2021, also citing the pandemic.

Ford made its $500 million investment in the Plymouth, Michigan-based startup in 2019, shortly after Amazon AMZN announced it was putting $700 million into Rivian. Ford also participated in a $1.3 billion fund-raising round for Rivian that was completed in December 2019.

[Irving]

Oh yeah, nice Jeep Hurley. I want a solid front.

[hurley842002]

Oh yeah, nice Jeep Hurley. I want a solid front.Thanks, I wish I still had it, that was easily the most capable rig I've owned. I prefer solid axle, but if I'm being honest with myself, my Xterra and the Tacoma I had, would/will go anywhere I need them to go, then again I don't wheel like I used to.

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[MrPrena]

I gave up. 8th base coat, and 3 top coat, still cannot get rid of this.

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[DeraldR]

I gave up. 8th base coat, and 3 top coat, still cannot get rid of this.


Did you use a sealer or primer coat ??

Derald

[FromMyColdDeadHand]

Late to the game, but sanding block and wet sanding? Is that orange peal showing through?

[MrPrena]

Thanks guys. Everything mentioned was used.
I think I need rotor machine sand.
It is the bondo that is showing.

[mindfold]

Where are you guys getting your alignments done? I called a place very close to my house and their standard price is competitive at $80-$90, but he said if it gets difficult because of the lift he bumps the price up to $200. Seems pretty high for an alignment and I didn't have the last shop complain when I did this years ago. I want to say that I took it to Bear Creek Auto, or Lakewood Automotive, but I can't remember and I thought I heard they had a change of ownership. Anyone have a recommendation?

Les Schwab installs lift kits and they are in ok with lift kits alignments. Price? Can?t remember. But as you know, you pay for knowledge and experience. Rather done right the first time.


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[00tec]

Les Schwab installs lift kits and they are in ok with lift kits alignments. Price? Can?t remember. But as you know, you pay for knowledge and experience. Rather done right the first time.


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My experience with Les Schwab was not the same as above. Pulled after 10k miles and they wouldn't fix.

[Irving]

I no longer patronize Les Schwab, but thanks. I used Steve's in Longmont. Good price. I got there and the guy showed me play in the wheel bearing so he couldn't align it until fixed. He continued to go through the front end buttoning things up for almost an hour, only to charge me nothing. I've already got another appointment next week. Just need to get these bearings replaced now.

[Gman]

Elon Musk threatens to move Tesla out of California, sue over coronavirus order shutting down Fremont factory (https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/05/09/elon-musk-claims-tesla-will-leave-california-sue-over-coronavirus-order-shutting-down-factory/)
Uhh... It's California. I thought Elon was supposed to be some super genius, like ole Wile E. Coyote? How can the almighty Electric Car Jesus say he didn't understand this could happen?

[hurley842002]

I ditched the "boob" lights that come on the Pro4x from the factory, in favor of a light bar made by a local (Tucson) Xterra parts fabricator. My original idea was to do an actual LED bar, but every schmuck with a 4x4 has those here, so I wanted to be different and go retro with round. Still waiting for 2 more lights to come back in stock for the middle two mounts.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200509/a835ea512003c49f145557d0ee4702ca.jpg

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[ChickNorris]

Like Mickey

[MrPrena]

Elon Musk threatens to move Tesla out of California, sue over coronavirus order shutting down Fremont factory (https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/05/09/elon-musk-claims-tesla-will-leave-california-sue-over-coronavirus-order-shutting-down-factory/)
Uhh... It's California. I thought Elon was supposed to be some super genius, like ole Wile E. Coyote? How can the almighty Electric Car Jesus say he didn't understand this could happen?

Elon Should've moved the soaceX, Tesla to places like TN, KY, GA, etc like other import and some domestic manufacturers did LONG AGO before the megafactory thing.

Reminds me of Gates from Microsoft trying to move to Canada and talk about putting netscape on window is like having 1 pepsi inside the 6 pack coke product.

[Erni]

Any of you pressed in rubber bushings into A arms? The bottom suburban arms would be $300 more for complete lower A-arms vs just rubber bushings. I will borrow a bush press from a parts store. Just not sure of the pain level. Thanks.

[mpatch]

Any of you pressed in rubber bushings into A arms? The bottom suburban arms would be $300 more for complete lower A-arms vs just rubber bushings. I will borrow a bush press from a parts store. Just not sure of the pain level. Thanks.

It's been a few years but what I remember was getting the new ones in was the easy part, getting the old ones out took some work.

[whitewalrus]

Any of you pressed in rubber bushings into A arms? The bottom suburban arms would be $300 more for complete lower A-arms vs just rubber bushings. I will borrow a bush press from a parts store. Just not sure of the pain level. Thanks.

If you have the press tool, it isn?t all that bad. Much like the ball joints themselves.

I would start spraying penetrating oil on everything you need to remove a few days beforehand. Suspension parts take quite some torque to remove already. Breaker bars, cheater bars, and impact wrenches are are your friend.

[FoxtArt]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/cannonball-run-record-repeatedly-shattered-153815257.html

Cannonball record broken again (unofficial drive across the US). Average speed of 106mph for 26 hours, 38 mins... some states estimated average over 120mph. They attribute it to empt(ier) roads thanks to Covid.

[ray1970]

I set personal records going from Thornton to Aurora a few weeks ago. I don?t think I averaged over a hundred miles an hour though.

[blacklabel]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/cannonball-run-record-repeatedly-shattered-153815257.html

Cannonball record broken again (unofficial drive across the US). Average speed of 106mph for 26 hours, 38 mins... some states estimated average over 120mph. They attribute it to empt(ier) roads thanks to Covid.

Hasn't been broken multiple times in the last 6 weeks? Tons of drama about guys "taking advantage" of the circumstances. It's an illegal race across the country ffs.

[BushMasterBoy]

It's been a few years but what I remember was getting the new ones in was the easy part, getting the old ones out took some work.

I've done this before. I just use a propane torch and burn the rubber out. Just don't get the rest of it too hot. When it cools, score the the inside of the bushing with a hacksaw and pop it out with a chisel.

[Erni]

I've done this before. I just use a propane torch and burn the rubber out. Just don't get the rest of it too hot. When it cools, score the the inside of the bushing with a hacksaw and pop it out with a chisel.

That is a part I hope to avoid. HOA will have kittens if I start torching rubber in the driveway


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[hatidua]

Not sure if this has been posted before but it's fairly interesting:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/special/2014/newsspec_8703/index.html

[cstone]

Anyone have or driven a GM truck with the 3.0l inline 6 Duramax? I was interested in the 2.8l inline 4, mini-Duramax, but it seems that GM is going to discontinue the little diesel that could. I don't see me ever buying a brand new truck, but if I did, the straight 6 diesel seems to be more than enough truck to last me the rest of my driving lifetime.

[BushMasterBoy]

The 6 cylinder diesel uses a rubber internal belt to power the oil pump. Should be changed every 150,000 miles by removing the transmission. I prefer the old school Ford 7.3 diesel, hard to find a really low mileage one.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFNsg7bCtdA

[brutal]

The 6 cylinder diesel uses a rubber internal belt to power the oil pump. Should be changed every 150,000 miles by removing the transmission. I prefer the old school Ford 7.3 diesel, hard to find a really low mileage one.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFNsg7bCtdA

Belongs in the WTF were they thinking? thread.

[Gman]

Most of the newer diesels suck. Doesn't seem to matter the manufacturer. The required emissions are not friendly to them.


http://youtu.be/d4z9gs3I8Ms

[brutal]

Most of the newer diesels suck. Doesn't seem to matter the manufacturer. The required emissions are not friendly to them.


http://youtu.be/d4z9gs3I8Ms

The chevy is an inline 6 and uses a GM-Ford codesigned 10-speed. LOL

There's going to be a lot of 145K mile durapads on the market in the future.

Diesel emissions suck and it's a shame how they choke the engines, but I'm happy with the 1,000 lb-ft I have under my right foot.

[cstone]

I am aware of the oil pump belt and the 150k replacement interval. I have a Toyota 2UZ-FE engine in my 2003 Sequoia, which by most accounts is one of the best engines produced by Toyota. Still, it has its problems, like the 90k timing belt replacement and the unique starter placement under the intake manifold. Not to mention that it is a thirsty beast. Good thing gasoline is currently cheap.

If I was going to get a gasser pickup, I think I would just get a Tundra. Finding a 4.9l straight 6 F150 without lots of rust is getting to be harder and harder, so a V8 Tundra with it's anemic towing capacity in exchange for it's reliability and similarity to my Sequoia just seems to be the best compromise.

I agree, modern diesels have been set up for failure in the US, with all of the emissions systems. Still, the 3.0l Duramax seems like it could be one of those 300k engines and even though it has only been a year or so, most reviews on the 10 speed transmission have been very positive. If it was an Allison or Aisin transmission I'm sure everyone would have been raving over it.

As I said before, a $50k truck just isn't in my plans, so I will be interested in seeing what GM does with this engine in the future and how it and the 10 speed holds up.

[SideShow Bob]

IGood thing gasoline is currently cheap.

It has gone back up $.40+ in the last week.........

[Gman]

The chevy is an inline 6 and uses a GM-Ford codesigned 10-speed. LOL

There's going to be a lot of 145K mile durapads on the market in the future.

Diesel emissions suck and it's a shame how they choke the engines, but I'm happy with the 1,000 lb-ft I have under my right foot.

I'm impressed with that Cummins powerplant. I didn't say they all suck. [Coffee]

The 'Eco' diesels are in a weird niche.

[Gman]

If it was an Allison or Aisin transmission I'm sure everyone would have been raving over it.
I've had a vehicle with an Aisin transmission and I was very happy with its performance.

Allison isn't what it used to be. https://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/news/2018/11/26/gm-to-close-baltimore-county-plant-in-2019-as-part.html

[Irving]

Anyone have experience with Suzuki SX4 awd? I've always been curious about them, especially since they go for way cheaper than a Toyota Matrix or Pontiac Vibe.

[ray1970]

I always thought an SX4 would look cute in the bed of my truck. Other than that, I?ve got nothing.

Isn?t the SX4 pretty much the newer version of the Geo Metro?

[Martinjmpr]

Anyone have experience with Suzuki SX4 awd? I've always been curious about them, especially since they go for way cheaper than a Toyota Matrix or Pontiac Vibe.

Prices on Suzuki cars dropped like a rock in 2012 when Suzuki announced that they were pulling out of the NA Car market. So parts might become difficult to find over time.

Can't speak to the SX4 but the wife had a Grand Vitara from 2008 to 2012 and really liked it. The only thing I didn't like is that it was noisy.

[00tec]

Ford has implemented a way for the police interceptors from 13+ to kill Coronavirus.

Punch a few buttons and hop out. The vehicle increases idle and heats the cabin to 133 degrees F for 15 minutes.

https://autos.yahoo.com/ford-police-interceptor-utility-destroy-153100565.html

[brutal]

I've had a vehicle with an Aisin transmission and I was very happy with its performance.

Allison isn't what it used to be. https://www.bizjournals.com/baltimore/news/2018/11/26/gm-to-close-baltimore-county-plant-in-2019-as-part.html

I think GM has been building their own "Allison" for a few years now. Not actually built by Allison, just gets their rubber stamp.

Allison still build HD transmissions, but not the one GM uses in the pickups.

[MrPrena]

Suzuki X-90 Redbull!

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/__9TTj0s27Vk/S28dBsnj-UI/AAAAAAAACT0/R9ixY-0bOPI/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/red_bull-x90.jpg

[ray1970]

I?ve never met Irving?s wife but I bet she?d look good in a Samurai.

[Irving]

My uncle has a Chevy Tracker, which is basically a Samuri, but I think it'd be too small. Plus he wants too much for it.

My wife likes to drive a manual, and most of the Suzuki SX4s and many of the Toyota Matrix I'm finding are manuals.

[ray1970]

Nice. Good to see a woman that can handle a stick.

[Gman]

Wait. Wut?

[Irving]

The Trooper has more flex than the Amigo did without sway bars, which is just one of the few reasons I decided to switch to the Trooper.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3eCtedGAo6M0MTogVcggXTwvSGL2ibeVetT2XQdu-8KMeiV0EwQfMJt_-nR1bhyneg5zf7Mx2TizvejX-zaX4lN3JZhhCR_XgCRh1Brjh181Ce9K7FxUz-NV9Vw8qlGThTnUQIgmxJffv9JI8yTupAwGQ=w1112-h625-no?authuser=0

It'll tuck the 32's without rubbing, and I'm going to put 33's on. Plan is a 1" body lift (sitting in the garage in the box) that would fit 35's without cutting, but I'm not going to go that big with IFS and without upgrading axles all around (zero gear options currently).
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3d5p7uJRP5klWRubicdPMr_BQMPYAR_hH73LW08hHZ0uJTGTUn GVmMSKbaVGpeE8yVJLEvlqDfQUtWDq4Mieu7CxbyepyK5R8SHy 4LiQLQBAwt8Zmildscl2TAK8Yi9iyprkhJq-WqkLYZKI2wcecqvdw=w1112-h625-no?authuser=0

Things got western once the neighbor got involved.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3eII4dycT45N0TN5RQDDZImy9Qs9wMrY0x24fkE3CMBalwXkoS Dqhx-WPvsdsxoCfUh36jX7xIkVDsG3IpymKmQWiIuJ0J7flcOZqzJoQ EOXBpNW3UEUyIW5W1yuFzmr-qtRCpHzNv7FJrfssY-5AnhPQ=w1112-h625-no?authuser=0

Finally got the alignment done. Only took me three tries. Pretty tired of taking the front end apart at this point. Next is body lift, which I'm considering cutting in half. I only want it to make room for the sliders so I don't have to cut the body seam. I won't complain about the extra room in the wheel wells though. Then clutch and low gears in the transfer case. All that stuff (including steel for sliders) is sitting in my garage just waiting. That's the immediate future anyway.

[Irving]

Not sure if this has been posted before but it's fairly interesting:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/special/2014/newsspec_8703/index.html

I started reading that, and what jumped out at me was that it seems like the lady kind of abandoned her kids to go traveling.

[Erni]

What happened with the alignment?

[CS1983]

Nice. Good to see a woman that can handle a stick.

My wife taught me to drive a stick. I'd had never to, but my car was totaled in a parking lot by a drunk driver and the only vehicle we had was her 95 Accord manual trans. Learned in about 20 minutes on country roads. I think having ridden motorcycles all my life helped with the concept.

[ray1970]

When I was learning to drive my dad insisted that I learned on a stick shift. I guess he figured if I could drive a stick then an automatic should be pretty easy. I learned on a 1977 Datsun B210. I think five of my first seven vehicles were manual transmissions. I could easily and happily drive a stick shift every day but honestly I am glad automatics exist because I guess I?m just lazy that way.

[ray1970]

I would gladly give up the automatic transmission in my company truck if they would get me power windows and door locks instead. Manual windows and locks are a pain in my butt but I could deal with shifting my own gears.

[Irving]

What happened with the alignment?

I drove up to Longmont twice and both times they told me they couldn't do it, and kept pointing to more and more parts that could have been replaced. I replaced the wheel bearing, but they weren't tight enough the second time. I ended up buying a gland nut wrench with a 1/2" socket drive fitting, then borrowed a very expensive digital torque wrench to set everything up properly. I just took it to a place in Aurora (Stan's Alignment) and got the work done there.

[brutal]

The Trooper has more flex than the Amigo did without sway bars, which is just one of the few reasons I decided to switch to the Trooper.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3eCtedGAo6M0MTogVcggXTwvSGL2ibeVetT2XQdu-8KMeiV0EwQfMJt_-nR1bhyneg5zf7Mx2TizvejX-zaX4lN3JZhhCR_XgCRh1Brjh181Ce9K7FxUz-NV9Vw8qlGThTnUQIgmxJffv9JI8yTupAwGQ=w1112-h625-no?authuser=0

It'll tuck the 32's without rubbing, and I'm going to put 33's on. Plan is a 1" body lift (sitting in the garage in the box) that would fit 35's without cutting, but I'm not going to go that big with IFS and without upgrading axles all around (zero gear options currently).
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3d5p7uJRP5klWRubicdPMr_BQMPYAR_hH73LW08hHZ0uJTGTUn GVmMSKbaVGpeE8yVJLEvlqDfQUtWDq4Mieu7CxbyepyK5R8SHy 4LiQLQBAwt8Zmildscl2TAK8Yi9iyprkhJq-WqkLYZKI2wcecqvdw=w1112-h625-no?authuser=0

Things got western once the neighbor got involved.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/pw/ACtC-3eII4dycT45N0TN5RQDDZImy9Qs9wMrY0x24fkE3CMBalwXkoS Dqhx-WPvsdsxoCfUh36jX7xIkVDsG3IpymKmQWiIuJ0J7flcOZqzJoQ EOXBpNW3UEUyIW5W1yuFzmr-qtRCpHzNv7FJrfssY-5AnhPQ=w1112-h625-no?authuser=0

Finally got the alignment done. Only took me three tries. Pretty tired of taking the front end apart at this point. Next is body lift, which I'm considering cutting in half. I only want it to make room for the sliders so I don't have to cut the body seam. I won't complain about the extra room in the wheel wells though. Then clutch and low gears in the transfer case. All that stuff (including steel for sliders) is sitting in my garage just waiting. That's the immediate future anyway.

My old Bronco II would flex like crazy. Too bad it smelled like fish on a warm Colorado summer day.

[brutal]

Took my drivers test with a stick.

Prefer not to drive them anymore due to bad knees.

(no on your knees jokes!)

[Irving]

That Bronco II was a solid axle front though, right? IFS can't really compete with that.

[brutal]

That Bronco II was a solid axle front though, right? IFS can't really compete with that.

No, it had the Ford twin beam.

[ray1970]

Too bad it smelled like fish on a warm Colorado summer day.

That might be the weirdest thing I?ve heard someone say about a vehicle in a while.

[Irving]

Ahh yes, I was reading up on those the other day. Ford used that for a long time in a lot of different vehicles. Rangers and first gen Explorers as well. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if they used that in the Cobra II's.

[brutal]

That might be the weirdest thing I?ve heard someone say about a vehicle in a while.

Too many river crossings and leaky door seals.

Should have pulled the carpet but I ended up trading it.

I had a cooler floating in the back once.

[Erni]

I drove up to Longmont twice and both times they told me they couldn't do it, and kept pointing to more and more parts that could have been replaced. I replaced the wheel bearing, but they weren't tight enough the second time. I ended up buying a gland nut wrench with a 1/2" socket drive fitting, then borrowed a very expensive digital torque wrench to set everything up properly. I just took it to a place in Aurora (Stan's Alignment) and got the work done there.

Bummer. Steve?s is usually great so not sure what happened there.

[Irving]

I don't think they were messing me around, I didn't properly torque the wheel bearings. Although, the one guy telling me that my center link was bad shouldn't have affected his ability to do an alignment. Doesn't matter because at the time the wheel bearings were still loose and I replaced the center link anyway. I think the only parts of the front end I haven't replaced are the sway bar bushing (linkage is a bit bent) and the torsion bars. I just wasn't going to drive 45 minutes one way to be told it couldn't be aligned for a third time in a row.

[whitewalrus]

I think GM has been building their own "Allison" for a few years now. Not actually built by Allison, just gets their rubber stamp.

Allison still build HD transmissions, but not the one GM uses in the pickups.

GM owned Allison for quite some time. GM is making the one in current models:


https://ir.allisontransmission.com/news-releases/news-release-details/chevrolet-offer-10-speed-fully-automatic-allison-branded

[Gman]

Yeah, "Allison branded". You get the GM version and they call it an Allison. Not quite the same thing.

[Erni]

Well poop again. Window regulator in daughters car went kaput. Located a used one in south Denver and for a few bucks more I can take the door. Guy took off the door and started to take it apart. I just hope he did not break all the clips I wanted to salvage that are part of the door plastic. They are broken on my car and are not sold separately. It will be interesting adjusting the window pane.

[CS1983]

Want to check something before I wreck something.

It’s my understanding the 2000 lx470 has center locking differential, not viscous.

So, for tire replacements I should be fine with just replacing both front or both rear, right?

I need to get a spare. I can either buy 5 new KO2’s or one spare And if I get a flat drive slow until I get front or rear replaced, right?

If I can get away with just replacing both front or rear tires in the event of a flat, having limped along on a spare, that seems more money smart.

If I *need* to buy all new, including spare, and rotate them, I will. If I can get along with just replacing front/rear as needed, I will.

Edumacate me.

[Irving]

Is there an AWD option? That would indicated that the center diff is viscous, but can be locked. However, rather than BS my way through a question I don't know the answer to. I'll screen shot your question and ask my Toyota friends that will know the answer and report back.

[Gman]

You should be able to buy tires in axle pairs. Typically, your best tires go on the front since they're used for steering control and most of your braking.

[DenverGP]

You should be able to buy tires in axle pairs. Typically, your best tires go on the front since they're used for steering control and most of your braking.

I've always heard the new tires goes on the rear, because if you lose grip on the front wheels first, it's understeer and can be corrected, but if the back wheels loose grip first, you get oversteer and it'll snap around.

[Gman]

I've always heard the new tires goes on the rear, because if you lose grip on the front wheels first, it's understeer and can be corrected, but if the back wheels loose grip first, you get oversteer and it'll snap around.
You are correct: http://www.tiresafetygroup.com/when-buying-two-tires-instead-of-four-place-the-two-new-tires-on-the-rear/

ETA: A Better link with a video: https://www.allstate.com/blog/new-tires-rear/


http://youtu.be/endLPwy3cQc

Personally, I prefer oversteer to understeer. When you turn the wheel and the car doesn't turn (understeer), that doesn't blow my skirt up. I can usually control oversteer with the throttle.


When the rear end's loose, the car's fast. Loose is fast, and on the edge of out of control.
-Harry Hogge

[DenverGP]

Personally, I prefer oversteer to understeer. When you turn the wheel and the car doesn't turn (understeer), that doesn't blow my skirt up. I can usually control oversteer with the throttle.

I agree, for track cars. These days the only track time I get is in iRacing.

[MrPrena]

You are correct: http://www.tiresafetygroup.com/when-buying-two-tires-instead-of-four-place-the-two-new-tires-on-the-rear/

ETA: A Better link with a video: https://www.allstate.com/blog/new-tires-rear/


http://youtu.be/endLPwy3cQc

Personally, I prefer oversteer to understeer. When you turn the wheel and the car doesn't turn (understeer), that doesn't blow my skirt up. I can usually control oversteer with the throttle.

I am sure you already did drove it, but you might like Porsche 911/GT3/TurboS rear heavy engine cars. They can easily take aggressive steering, but if driver pushes beyond the limit, it will punish the driver with near in-correctable spin.

[Gman]

My folks had a couple of older 911s back in the '80s. My dad bought a 1972 911T Targa for his mid-life crisis. My mom took it. He then bought a 1977 911S Targa for himself. I didn't drive them much, but they were a lot of fun.

[MrPrena]

We are going to be in a market for a new car next month and she wants a cpo C/CLA (Maybe cls or E) AMG.
She said smaller the better but needs 4 door.

Our trusty Hyundai elantra is (and will be was) a great vehicle averaging 36 to 39mpg combo. (Low 40s at highway easily).

At this gas price and low rate, I am just going to keep the cash and finance it. Gas guzzler for ~3 year would be fairly safe bet.

[MrPrena]

Just a perspective.



Tesla Model 3 police cars pay for themselves faster than expected, says police chief
Fred Lambert - Jun. 30th 2020 5:25 am


https://electrek.co/2020/06/30/tesla-model-3-police-cars-faster-roi-police-chief/amp/

[Erni]

We are going to be in a market for a new car next month and she wants a cpo C/CLA (Maybe cls or E) AMG.
She said smaller the better but needs 4 door.

Our trusty Hyundai elantra is (and will be was) a great vehicle averaging 36 to 39mpg combo. (Low 40s at highway easily).

At this gas price and low rate, I am just going to keep the cash and finance it. Gas guzzler for ~3 year would be fairly safe bet.

I?m coming around to Hyundai. The little Kona caught my eye as a possible commuter. I can get a used Ultimate for 18 and change with 25k miles. I want the 1.6 turbo and the DCT trans is something I want too. Although the auto would be better for off-roading this would be primarily a commuter. Just need to check if warranty transfers. And then hunt for the right deal.

[MrPrena]

I?m coming around to Hyundai. The little Kona caught my eye as a possible commuter. I can get a used Ultimate for 18 and change with 25k miles. I want the 1.6 turbo and the DCT trans is something I want too. Although the auto would be better for off-roading this would be primarily a commuter. Just need to check if warranty transfers. And then hunt for the right deal.



Great choice.

Probably one of the best vehicle per dollar.

We literally parked the elantra right next to AMG GT at MB littleton yesterday and that electric blue and styling of the Elantra front was as aggressive as panamerica AMG GT grille.
:)

[Irving]

So, I got to find out the hard way that my Isuzu wheels don't fit. The center bore is slightly too small. Obviously I should have researched more before snagging them from the junk yard. The difference isn't great, and I'm curious what it would cost to have the center hole bored out. Anyone know a place that does that I could check? Honestly I'm not even sure there is enough meat in the rim to do this correctly. I may just have to go look for some Chevy or Toyota 17" wheels. Or sell everything and just go back to 16's.

[brutal]

Are (minimal thickness) wheel spacers an option? Those often make accommodations for differing center bores.

Assuming you don't end up spending more than just selling them and getting different wheels.

[Irving]

Hmmm, probably not. It's the 4wd hubs that are the problem, and that's a lot of space to over come. Realistically, these are junkyard rims that I can just return. I feel pot committed to the tires, so I'll start looking for options.

[hurley842002]

Hopefully you didn't already have the tires mounted and balanced.

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