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    Default Cops kill man playing with BB gun at Walmart

    Not sure who's at fault here but at this point it looks to me like the shootee got hisself shot by being dumb ... that is unless the officers that shot him didn't give him an opportunity to drop the "gun".


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    Cops Kill Man In Wal-Mart Carrying An Air Rifle That He Might Have Planned To Buy

    Posted By Chuck Ross On 3:35 PM 08/07/201


    A man who was carrying an air rifle in an Ohio Wal-Mart told the police officers that fatally shot him that the gun was “not real,” according to a family member.
    John Crawford was shot by police Tuesday evening at a Beavercreek store. The Ohio attorney general’s office announced Thursday that he was merely carrying a brand of air rifle that Wal-Mart sells.
    Another shopper, 37-year-old Angela Williams, collapsed and died as she scrambled to get away after police fired at Crawford.
    The shooting occurred after police responded to 911 calls about a man carrying a rifle. In one of those calls, which was released by police, a Wal-Mart shopper told emergency dispatchers that it looked like the man — later identified as Crawford — was trying to load the rifle and that he had pointed it at two children, WHIO reported.
    The 911 caller’s wife said that Crawford was on the phone and that he was messing with the gun. She said that after police ordered Crawford to put down the unidentified weapon, “I heard two shots after I saw him turn. He still had the weapon in his hand.”
    But Crawford’s family says that there is no way he intended to harm anyone that night.
    LeeCee Johnson, who has two children with Crawford and is pregnant with a third, said that she was on the phone with him while the incident unfolded.
    She told the Dayton Daily News that Crawford told officers that the gun he was carrying was “not real.”
    “We was just talking,” said Johnson. “He said he was at the video games playing videos and he went over there by the toy section where the toy guns were.”
    “And the next thing I know, he said ‘It’s not real,’ and the police start shooting and they said ‘Get on the ground,’ but he was already on the ground because they had shot him.”
    Johnson, who had not yet told Crawford that she was pregnant with their third child, said that she could hear him crying and screaming.
    Beavercreek police chief Dennis Evers stood by his officers’ actions, saying that they fired after Crawford failed to comply with their commands to drop the air rifle. He asked Ohio attorney general Mike DeWine and the Bureau of Criminal Investigation to open an investigation into the shooting.
    In a statement Thursday, DeWine provided the latest details.
    “BCI Investigators on the case report witnesses say the man was carrying a weapon Tuesday night inside a Beavercreek store,” reads DeWine’s statement.
    “The weapon was an MK-177 (.177 caliber) BB/Pellet Rifle, manufactured by Crosman. It is known as a ‘variable pump air rifle.’”
    Reached by The Daily Caller, a spokeswoman for DeWine said she could not yet comment on whether the air rifle was from the Wal-Mart or if Crawford had brought it in himself.
    But an Internet search of Wal-Mart’s website shows that it does indeed sell Crosman MK-177 air rifles. The price is listed at $100.83.
    “He does not own (a rifle-like weapon),” Lamon Brown, Crawford’s cousin, told the Dayton Daily News before DeWine’s office announced the brand of rifle Crawford was carrying. “We think it was a toy.”
    The family has contacted the NAACP as well as the National Action Network. Crawford, 22, was black.
    The two officers involved in the shooting have been placed on paid administrative leave during the investigation.
    This is what the BB gun looked like (so I'm thinking if I saw him I'd probably have drawn down on the guy myself).



    Also, apparently a bystander died as a result of the event (not sure if she was hit by the police or just dropped of a heart attack or something).
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    The panic being caused by these witnesses is getting out of hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperiorDG View Post
    The panic being caused by these witnesses is getting out of hand.
    Thisx1000. I seen this story a day or two ago, waiting for video to come out, if the PD ordered him to drop it and he did not, as they claim, his fault.

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    Why'd they gotta say the victim was Black? Were the cops White? A rhetorical question, but still. Gather the facts. The rest is BS.

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    While usually I'd jump on board people for being dumb. And if it was any kind of extended belligerentness I'd agree. Sometimes I dont wonder if they are so quick to jump the gun and drop him he doesnt get more than a 5-10 second window if that. Consider it as a non gun owner. Might be more confused since he knows he isn't armed and doesn't get the seriousness of having anything vaguely gunlike in front of a cop.

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    Plus I also love how the family contacted the NAACP and National Action Network so they can get the national publicity they so much deserve.
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    Why'd they gotta say the victim was Black? Were the cops White? A rhetorical question, but still. Gather the facts. The rest is BS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperiorDG View Post
    The panic being caused by these witnesses is getting out of hand.
    NO SHIT... exactly

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    Will anonymous demand justice for him too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stoner01 View Post
    Will anonymous demand justice for him too?
    So long as there's looting "for justice" to be had...

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    Quote Originally Posted by fitz19d View Post
    Sometimes I dont wonder if they are so quick to jump the gun and drop him he doesnt get more than a 5-10 second window if that. Consider it as a non gun owner.
    Uh, no. If the cops were pointing guns at me yelling, "Drop the gun!", it's not gonna take me 5-10 seconds to figure out what I should do. My guess is he wanted to convince them the gun wasn't real. They, on the other hand, convinced him their guns were real.

    Sounds like the other lady died from the stress of the incident. In my opinion, as it relates to the open carry types we're hearing so much about, if this doesn't convince you openly carrying a long gun in an urban area is a bad idea, nothing will. Regardless of your rights or whether or not it's legal.

    And you can bet the family/baby momma sees nothing but $$ signs in this. Guy wasn't even cold before they're contacting the NAACP.
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