Ray Rice Jerseys......

[TheGrey]

I know I'll have to don the flame suit for this,,, but she did go after him first...... again I know I know... But I so severally hate the idea that the feminists push, that they are total equals in ALL ways, and then some broad gets hit cause she was acting like a man, and the same exact feminists want that guys life ruined. I mean for real, what exactly changed since the second video came out? we all knew he hit her. Goodell came up with a new policy literally just for this. 6 games. then he goes indefinite.. the fiance married the guy. we are in no position to judge that. maybe money or whatever. but it was still her choice. Sure, if I was the ravens, cut him.. but then it was like goodell had to do better than that even...

just such pandering bullshit to me.

A lady that uses her gender and/or size to strike a an is certainly no gent herself. I understand where you're coming from; they were in some ridiculous argument before they got onto the elevator and she did strike him first. By 'strike', I mean she swatted at him outside of the elevators, and then from the video, at :23 and :24 seconds in, it appears she pokes at him as if to make a point. At that point, he backhands her hard enough to make her upper body snap back. He then steps back, and she moves at him. It was then that he hits her so hard that she drops, knocking her head against the railing of the elevator. Consider her size compared to his. This entire event takes place within 4-5 seconds, which tells me this is not their first rodeo. The fact that she married him a month later tells me there are serious problems within their relationship, and she's either got some sort of battered-wife syndrome or she's in it for the money. Considering her "you have all ruined our lives!" response she has had to this video, I'd say it was more of the money issue than anything else.

Now I'd like to weigh in on the whole feminism issue. Am I a feminist? Yes. I am a feminist in the old-school sense of the word; I fully support and believe in the equality of pay for women, I believe women should not have to endure having their bottoms patted at work, their opinions overlooked or their achievements ignored or credit given to their male counterparts. I believe their advancement in the workplace should not be dependent on how much cleavage they show. I believe that a woman can be a tough-minded employee or employer, without the double standard of "she's a bitch" applied, where a man would be praised for his leadership abilities in the exact same situation. I also believe that double physical standards do not belong in the workplace- if a female wants to be a paratrooper or a firefighter, they must be able to fulfill the same physical requirements. I believe all of these things because I HAVE endured the bullshit that I have listed above. Many men feel the entitlement to discount what women have to say or offer, unless it happens to scratch their particular itch. As a feminist, all I ask for is a fair deal. I don't want special treatment. I don't want my cake and to eat it, like the shrill contingent that demand more than they are entitled to, and then cry foul when they don't see their special privileges. That's not what I consider a feminist. I don't like what they are trying to represent, and I don't like that they are anti-men. Not all women judge men on the actions of one guy that is clearly blinded by his own ego.

[cstone]

We need a "Like" button.

[MarkCO]

Agree. However, I would not "label" TheGrey as a Feminist, but a realist. I believe in the Bible and the Constitution, and while religion and our Country have not followed the tenants therein, I think it is clear that every human should be dealt with equally and fairly. Maybe TheGrey will not agree, but to me, a woman who seeks to be counted as equal, on all levels, with men, loses some of her feminine qualities, which men (most) do not posses. I think that to deny the differences between men and women diminishes both sexes. That does not mean men or women are in some way superior to the other, just different.

The mere fact that there is such an outcry about this one man's actions illustrate the fact that most people understand men and women are different. If this guy had been in a same sex relationship and dropped his boyfriend in the exact same scenario, would their be such an outcry? We all know the "majority" answer to that question would be "no".

[TheGrey]

MarkCo, thank you. I take that as a real compliment. I don't disagree with you at all. I'm mulling over some points I'd like to add but my brain is stuck in molasses, so I have to ponder a bit. I'm a slow thinker today!

[TheGrey]

I've thought long and hard about this, and written several replies- only to erase them and start again.

The term 'feminine' means "to have qualities associated with women." There are two parts to this: the physical aspect, and the social construct. Physical differences between men and women are usually fairly obvious, and there's no denying that most men are stronger and bigger than women. To deny physical characteristics would be silly.

But the social construct of the idea of 'feminine' is fluid, and oftentimes impractical. The social definition is slippery, and depends upon class, culture, time period, trends and so on. Is it a demonstration of femininity to fire a .357 at a firing range? Would it help if the gun were pink?
In considering the loss of femininity...who does that benefit? Would it benefit the woman maintenance worker to not be able to carry a 40 pound toolbox up a staircase when men are watching, to maintain the illusion of her femininity? What about the girl that doesn't want to wreck her pretty pink manicure, so instead waits for someone to come along the road to help her change her tire?

I believe what I'm trying to say is that femininity is often an illusion or a tool that can be used for or against women. I can't tell you the number of ties when people would say, "You can't do that, because you're a girl," or "You're supposed to like pink guns. You're a girl." So I just smile and do what I want. If people think less of me because they think I am not feminine enough...who is that hurting?

[osok-308]

I heard they were not being sold any more.

No worries folks, they will be selling them again shortly. They just need to alter them. They will be cutting off the sleeves and turning them into WIFE BEATERS!!

BOOM! Great pun.

[TheGrey]

....and to reiterate, she should have NEVER struck him to begin with. I don't care what they were arguing about. But nether should he have hit her, much less hit her so hard.

[cstone]

One of my favorite movie lines at :55
"Here's a good stick to beat the lovely lady."

[TheGrey]

One of my favorite movie lines at :55
"Here's a good stick to beat the lovely lady."

I love that movie! We re-watch it at least once a year.

That's not abuse. That's foreplay.