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    Quote Originally Posted by foxtrot
    In some ways, his quote as to wanting a firearm even if prohibited "constitutionally" is encouraging. E.g. recognizing the need for self defense is a manifest right, not one we are "provided" with. The way he phrases it isn't great, but he's on the right track.

    Basically:
    If SCOTUS "interprets" the right to bear arms clearly only applies to the baring of grizzly bear arms, are you going to turn in your weapons and respect the system?


    But that's not what he said and I don't think he's on the right track at all...with the exception of saying he'd want a gun for protection regardless of how the law sees that. This is what he said:

    If your reason for supporting gun ownership involves loyalty to a document written hundreds of years ago by slave-owners with muskets, you probably have some explaining to do. Don’t include me in that camp.


    This sentence tells me he pretty much has no grasp of the true meaning of the Constitution in general, or the Second Amendment specifically.

    My interpretation of that is he believes the Constitution is outdated and flawed. "Slave-owners and muskets"? That's progressive code for "dead, rich white men wrote that" and "the framers couldn't possibly envisage modern guns like AR-15s"...the usual garbage that makes up the usual leftist argument that the Constitution being a living, breathing document. He didn't say anything about the SCOTUS.

    A conservative, on the other hand, believes the Constitution says what it means. The Second Amendment allows us all to keep and bear arms, not because it was written by musket-owning slave-owners, but because they recognized that personal ownership of arms was of great value and a necessity to a truly free citizenry, for a variety of reasons...not the least of which was defense of self, home and property.

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    Maybe. But I'd argue there are some generalities that can be inferred by looking at where some went to school...especially when they have a lifetime of writings to look at. If two people tell me they went to the state universities of Montana and Wyoming I'd say it would generally be pretty hard to determine any true political leanings. But if someone tells me they went to Berkeley I can practically guarantee that person is going to be left-leaning at a minimum, if not a full-blown communist...despite the fact some notable conservatives attended that school as well. Profiling can sometimes be pretty accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roberth View Post
    What kind of God-damn pussy is going to just roll over and give up their guns. Our firearms are the only thing standing between life and a mass grave.

    I will die on my feet rather than kneel to the motherfucking government.
    Exactly. SCOTUS can ban them all they want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GilpinGuy View Post
    I've wondered how an outright ban (on all or even some types) of firearms would work. It seems like Sheriffs would be tasked with collection. How would the Sheriffs like that shit?
    Or National Guard? House to house urban searching in the middle east is quite dangerous, how well do you think anyone would want to do that at home?
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    ^^ Especially considering the homes of many of those Guard members (or even law enforcement officers) would also be subject to search. Highly doubtful that would ever happen. There would definitely be a shooting war.
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    Just as an aside, the Trump campaign stop here in Golden has effectively shut down my shop for the day, since the 5 different law enforcement agencies aren't letting any traffic west of the Jeffco Fairgrounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffrey Lebowski View Post
    Or National Guard? House to house urban searching in the middle east is quite dangerous, how well do you think anyone would want to do that at home?
    There seemed to be no issue at all in Boston after the marathon bombing. Hell people rolled over to accommodate the .mil presence
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    Scary wasn't it That is a live example of what would happen. Sheeple would be in the majority. After a few "redneck gunlovers" die in the shootouts, the rest of bad talkers will roll over pretty quickly, and the police and military would be just "doing their job" and "following orders" Just like the german army did at Aushwitz.


    QUOTE=Great-Kazoo;2024969]There seemed to be no issue at all in Boston after the marathon bombing. Hell people rolled over to accommodate the .mil presence[/QUOTE]

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    There would be no need to go house to house, or use the National Guard or LEO.
    The government can easily control the power grid, water, gas, the financial centers, food supply, air travel, public transportation.

    Cut off these things to everyone that doesn't step forward and voluntarily turn in their firearms, ammunition, armor, reloading, and tactical equipment.

    Make it a crime to transfer or posess any of these things and create a national tip line. Your neighbors will turn dou in for a Visa card. The powers that be will simply flip the switch and you will lose everything.

    Active violence will be crushed by the following.

    1. Individual to squad sized resistance elements will be handled by teams of paid mercenaries using ambushes.

    2. Platoon sized elements of fighters will be taken out by drone strike.

    3. Company sized element of active violent resistors will be met with combined air and ground attacks or raids.

    4. Pockets of active resistance in large cities or regions larger than states will be threatened with force up to and including nuclear strikes. Good luck seceding from the union Texas or Utah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MOLON LABE View Post
    There would be no need to go house to house, or use the National Guard or LEO.
    The government can easily control the power grid, water, gas, the financial centers, food supply, air travel, public transportation.

    Cut off these things to everyone that doesn't step forward and voluntarily turn in their firearms, ammunition, armor, reloading, and tactical equipment.
    They can't even keep the internet online if / when they need to do so.

    Quote Originally Posted by MOLON LABE View Post
    Make it a crime to transfer or posess any of these things and create a national tip line. Your neighbors will turn dou in for a Visa card. The powers that be will simply flip the switch and you will lose everything.
    Do it that way and everyone will be turning in everyone for a freebie. Hell, I'll turn in everyone I know without a whisper of truth. Big data, yeah, but good luck sifting through all that. At the end, you still need people to do the job.

    Quote Originally Posted by MOLON LABE View Post
    Active violence will be crushed by the following.

    1. Individual to squad sized resistance elements will be handled by teams of paid mercenaries using ambushes.

    2. Platoon sized elements of fighters will be taken out by drone strike.

    3. Company sized element of active violent resistors will be met with combined air and ground attacks or raids.

    4. Pockets of active resistance in large cities or regions larger than states will be threatened with force up to and including nuclear strikes. Good luck seceding from the union Texas or Utah.
    So some people will be deemed OK?


    Edit: I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm saying you're likely right.
    I just think it'll be a hell of a job and God have mercy on whoever is told to undertake it. These same folks who can't (or won't) put down an Occupy or BLM "event" are going to systematically disarm the masses? All it'll take is those few pockets of resistance to pop up and you better believe this country changes forever.
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    Easiest way to avoid any form of confiscation.. Publicly identify as a gender confused person. Between the civil rights implications and ACLU waffling whether to take the case. The .gov would be gridlocked.
    Even better, barricade inside buildings marked as gender neutral restrooms .

    Those pc snowflakes would have an aneurysm.
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