Fook United Airlines

[Irving]

Simple solution: Require carriers to keep say, 3 percent, of seats open on any particular flight for standby passengers and crew deadheads. Allow them to raise the ticket prices by exactly the same percentage.

Having extra seats on a flight would do a lot for mitigating mid flight seating issues as well.

[BushMasterBoy]

Just put a seat belt in the bathroom. Emergency spare seating. There ... problem solved!

[theGinsue]

Just put a seat belt in the bathroom. Emergency spare seating. There ... problem solved!

I like (need) to sleep when I fly. Plus, when I sit too long on the toilet my legs fall asleep. You know what happens when your legs fall asleep during the day? They'll be awake all night.

[TFOGGER]

http://thedailystooge.com/airline-straps-man-to-roof/

Airline Apologizes For Strapping Man To Roof Of Plane Due To Oversold Flight
By Ben Dungan on April 11, 201788 Comments
Airline Apologizes For Strapping Man To Roof Of Plane Due To Oversold Flight
LOUISVILLE, KENTUCKY — Unified Airlines attempted an apology for what seems to be just another example of the airlines trying to correct an oversold flight as a passenger was forcibly removed from his seat and strapped to the roof of the plane for the duration of the flight. “We reserve the right to strap any of our passengers to the wings, underbelly, or roof of the plane under any given circumstance. Nevertheless, we are sorry,” said Unified Airlines Vice President Mike Gottard, adding that the passenger was strapped on safely and securely.

“We reserve the right to strap any of our passengers to the wings, underbelly, or roof of the plane under any circumstance. Nevertheless, we are sorry,”
Unified Airlines is no stranger to controversy. Just last year they came under fire for various wrong doings such as: randomly taking away seat belts, removing passengers mid-flight, and forcing passengers to use mandatory catheters in lieu of bathrooms. “While we are not perfect, we strive to be. That is why we are issuing a $50 voucher to the passenger affected,” said Gottard proudly. While the airline is not expected to strap anyone other passengers to a plane’s exterior anytime soon, it’s certainly a possibility.

[Aloha_Shooter]

Simple solution: Require carriers to keep say, 3 percent, of seats open on any particular flight for standby passengers and crew deadheads. Allow them to raise the ticket prices by exactly the same percentage.

"Allow"? What, you want to reinstitute regulation? I know a lot of Democrats do and frankly the major airlines probably wouldn't mind -- they were making money hand-over-fist before deregulation and didn't have to worry about competing with low-fare airlines. Want that $300-400 cheap trip to Chicago or Atlanta or Orlando? Good luck with that. Airfares in the 1970s were generally more expensive than today and that's not counting the difference caused by comparing 1970s dollars to 2010s dollars. Airlines are making money today but no one is counting that against the years of bleeding they suffered as they learned to adapt to the modern market.

The REAL simple solution was for Dr. Dao to comply with the request then demand an alternate flight on a competing airline that got him home that night. One of his proponents claimed on the talk shows that there were seats on another airline (although they had suggested putting the crew on that flight, it makes more sense for the airline to keep their crew in their system and pay to fulfill their contract of carriage even if it required use of another airline.

[Fmedges]

"Allow"? What, you want to reinstitute regulation? I know a lot of Democrats do and frankly the major airlines probably wouldn't mind -- they were making money hand-over-fist before deregulation and didn't have to worry about competing with low-fare airlines. Want that $300-400 cheap trip to Chicago or Atlanta or Orlando? Good luck with that. Airfares in the 1970s were generally more expensive than today and that's not counting the difference caused by comparing 1970s dollars to 2010s dollars. Airlines are making money today but no one is counting that against the years of bleeding they suffered as they learned to adapt to the modern market.

The REAL simple solution was for Dr. Dao to comply with the request then demand an alternate flight on a competing airline that got him home that night. One of his proponents claimed on the talk shows that there were seats on another airline (although they had suggested putting the crew on that flight, it makes more sense for the airline to keep their crew in their system and pay to fulfill their contract of carriage even if it required use of another airline.

Demand huh? Both myself and my co worker were stranded (not together) recently due to the Delta airlines lack of crew available and I couldn't even get them to let me sleep in the terminal let alone demand anything. All both he and I were told to go pound sand. How exactly was he going to demand to get on another carriers flight?

[sniper7]

Side question for you guys who have been stuck traveling...

Anybody ever use their credit cards that offer trip protection and have luck with that? If so what was the circumstances and outcome? I've always wondered if they will refund your origional ticket and hotel and rental cars or maybe cover whatever was need to correct the problem?

[Aloha_Shooter]

Demand huh? Both myself and my co worker were stranded (not together) recently due to the Delta airlines lack of crew available and I couldn't even get them to let me sleep in the terminal let alone demand anything. All both he and I were told to go pound sand. How exactly was he going to demand to get on another carriers flight?

https://www.transportation.gov/airconsumer/fly-rights

Involuntary Bumping

DOT requires each airline to give all passengers who are bumped involuntarily a written statement describing their rights and explaining how the carrier decides who gets on an oversold flight and who doesn't. Those travelers who don't get to fly are frequently entitled to denied boarding compensation in the form of a check or cash. The amount depends on the price of their ticket and the length of the delay:

If you are bumped involuntarily and the airline arranges substitute transportation that is scheduled to get you to your final destination (including later connections) within one hour of your original scheduled arrival time, there is no compensation.
If the airline arranges substitute transportation that is scheduled to arrive at your destination between one and two hours after your original arrival time (between one and four hours on international flights), the airline must pay you an amount equal to 200% of your one-way fare to your final destination that day, with a $675 maximum.
If the substitute transportation is scheduled to get you to your destination more than two hours later (four hours internationally), or if the airline does not make any substitute travel arrangements for you, the compensation doubles (400% of your one-way fare, $1350 maximum).

If the airline must substitute a smaller plane for the one it originally planned to use, the carrier isn't required to pay people who are bumped as a result. In addition, on flights using aircraft with 30 through 60 passenger seats, compensation is not required if you were bumped due to safety-related aircraft weight or balance constraints.

I had thought there was something added in recently passed legislation requiring them to put you on an alternate carrier if they couldn't get you out within some timeframe but can't locate it and maybe the expanded compensation is supposed to address that. Either way, telling them "you'll have to carry me out" was stupid.

Having said that, I'm on my way to the airport for a United flight.

[Fmedges]

https://www.transportation.gov/airconsumer/fly-rights





I had thought there was something added in recently passed legislation requiring them to put you on an alternate carrier if they couldn't get you out within some timeframe but can't locate it and maybe the expanded compensation is supposed to address that. Either way, telling them "you'll have to carry me out" was stupid.

Having said that, I'm on my way to the airport for a United flight.

This only applies to being "bumped". There are no protections for flights being cancelled. My own opinion is that their is no difference between being involuntarily bumped and cancelled (due to non weather events), but the laws don't make that distinction. My flight was cancelled because the flight crew scheduled for that flight was over their accumulated flight hours. I was told to come back the next day and that they didn't care that I had to purchase extra meals and lodging for the night (as I said they wouldn't even let me stay in the terminal). If you as a company decide to play the odds as far as overbooking, over scheduling etc to benefit you then I have no sympathy for you in the event that it bites you in the ass.

[Martinjmpr]

This only applies to being "bumped". There are no protections for flights being cancelled. My own opinion is that their is no difference between being involuntarily bumped and cancelled (due to non weather events), but the laws don't make that distinction. .

Yep, and think about what kind of incentives this gives airlines.

Let's see - try to "bump" passengers, have to shell out $$ and risk a social-media event that generates enormous bad PR,

OR

Cancel the whole flight and say "sorry, flight was cancelled due to safety considerations, have a nice day, sorry if you have a connecting flight you'll now miss, I guess it sucks to be you."

So maybe instead of more expensive tickets, as a result of this incident what we'll see instead is simply more cancelled flights.

Way to go, Dr. Dumbass.