Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act vote on Wednesday!

[Joe_K]

I'm not holding my breath that anything useful is going to come out of this Senate.

It seemed that the House bill was stating that the photo ID had to be related to CCW from the resident state, not some other unrelated photo ID, like a driver's license. It didn't seem to me that there was inclusion of residents that came from constitutional carry states. Did I misread something in there?

If this somehow does become law, how it's enforced will be "interesting".

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So then it would be *almost* National Reciprocity. Vermont has NO CCW/CHP/CCP/Licensing requirements or even a structure to issue them. A Vt. Citizen visiting Colorado would only need prove he resides in Vt. A person visiting CA would need a valid Concealed Carry Permit from any State or Territory that issues one, or be from Vt. with a Vt. I.D.,(or whatever Constitutional carry state they are from).

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[TFOGGER]

I think the reality, if this ever makes it to become black letter law, is that a CCW permit will be treated much like a driver's license, in that it will allow carry by persons from another state, but subject to local and state rules. Just as some states require turn signals on motorcycles, and others do not, states which regulate magazine size would not have their laws abrogated by this measure. Just because you have a Colorado driver's license doesn't mean you're not getting a ticket for not having turn signals in Utah. Much like current reciprocity, the responsibility for knowing and complying with local carry restrictions will still fall on the permit holder.

[Ronin13]

Heres the part that maybe Gman doesn't get, (although there is no guarantee this is how the new law if passed and signed would be enforced). Say you live in California where there is an approved handgun roster, mag capacity limits, and is a may issue State. If you as a hypothetical California citizen apply for and successfully receive a concealed carry permit from a State that offers non-resident permits such as Utah or Florida you can legally carry in the State of California whatever firearm, magazine capacity, or ammunition is legal in the state from which you obtained your permit. This would of course significantly undermine most of the unconstitutional firearm laws in ban States pertaining to handguns.

For states that have constitutional carry such as Arizona and Vermont a resident needing to prove to law enforcement that he was lawfully concealed carrying a firearm in a ban state such as Hawaii or Maryland would only need a valid photo identification card issued from the constitutional carry State in which he or she resided.

There could and probably will be conflicts with laws such as the Colorado + 15 round capacity magazines that are not grandfathered under that law as that law is written in such a way that even having an out-of-State permit from say Utah where they do not have magazine restrictions might not necessarily be covered by the proposed National Reciprocity Law.

Obviously overzealous anti-gun legislators and state attorneys would probably counter-sue on some nitpicky grounds in an attempt to maintain their control over their citizens and safe face under the Trump administration.

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I just read through the text of the bill again, and I didn't see anything that states you don't have to abide by the laws of the state your visiting. Pretty sure if there are limitations in CA as to magazine capacity, and you violate that law while in CA, you're going to be arrested and charged. This bill allows CCW, but does nothing to make null and void any other law. You still have to abide by the laws of the state you are visiting.

I think the reality, if this ever makes it to become black letter law, is that a CCW permit will be treated much like a driver's license, in that it will allow carry by persons from another state, but subject to local and state rules. Just as some states require turn signals on motorcycles, and others do not, states which regulate magazine size would not have their laws abrogated by this measure. Just because you have a Colorado driver's license doesn't mean you're not getting a ticket for not having turn signals in Utah. Much like current reciprocity, the responsibility for knowing and complying with local carry restrictions will still fall on the permit holder.

This.

[Gman]

Okay, after reading these recent comments, I'm not feeling so alone in thinking this is going to be a legal morass. I certainly don't have the free time or budget to be first in line to test the fences.

But if we have questions about the practicality of this bill, I *really* don't see it making it out of the Senate.

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[Joe_K]

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[Great-Kazoo]

So then it would be *almost* National Reciprocity. Vermont has NO CCW/CHP/CCP/Licensing requirements or even a structure to issue them. A Vt. Citizen visiting Colorado would only need prove he resides in Vt. A person visiting CA would need a valid Concealed Carry Permit from any State or Territory that issues one, or be from Vt. with a Vt. I.D.,(or whatever Constitutional carry state they are from).

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CA has no statewide CCW permit, so it and other states like NJ and NY you're SOL. The bill is for states that have state wide or shall issue CCW permits.
There's that whole states rights issue we rail about.

[Ronin13]

CA has no statewide CCW permit, so it and other states like NJ and NY you're SOL. The bill is for states that have state wide or shall issue CCW permits.
There's that whole states rights issue we rail about.

Here's the real question: Why would you want to go to CA? We keep harping on it, but in reality, outside of having to go for work, why would you go to Commiefornia. Especially now, since it's so hostile (and on fire).

[Jer]

CA has no statewide CCW permit, so it and other states like NJ and NY you're SOL. The bill is for states that have state wide or shall issue CCW permits.
There's that whole states rights issue we rail about.

There is the whole state's rights issue but in this case the federal gov't did what it was supposed to do: step in when a state suppresses rights of it's residents through unjust laws in order the return rights that were infringed upon. Hell, that & protecting our national borders are the only two tasks our federal gov't should be in charge of.

[Joe_K]

The entire point of this bill is to allow anyone legally able to obtain a CHP in their locale to freely travel within the boundaries and border of the U.S. and carry their concealed habdgun with them. HR 218, but for CCW'ers.

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[bobbyfairbanks]

There is the whole state's rights issue but in this case the federal gov't did what it was supposed to do: step in when a state suppresses rights of it's residents through unjust laws in order the return rights that were infringed upon. Hell, that & protecting our national borders are the only two tasks our federal gov't should be in charge of.

Yes I couldn’t agree more. I wish more people would think like you