Save this old man and your rights at the same time.

[jim02]

I don't necessarily disagree with much of your sentiment, Jim, but I would like to comment on your judgement on the investigation aspect of this issue. We simply don't have all the information concerning the investigations into these crimes.

I agree and thats why I would like to see the justice system determine if Mr. Wallace commited any crime or not, the thieves confessed at the start of the investigation I have heard, I think 5 months is long enough to bring charges against them.
With the fact of the previous plea to ag tres for one of these guys and the numerous pleas to ag tres that have been given specifically to illegals in CO for political reasons, I reserve the right to call B.S. on the investigation that held up the local PD from filing charges.
I do not give law enforcement the benefit of the dought, they must prove everything they do in my eyes, that the way it is, they have to much power to abuse and have numerous abuses in the past as a whole.
We dont need to give LEO's a hard time or treat them poorly, but the burdon of proof on this matter is on them and 5 months has been long enough, its time we got involved and demanded them to answer up on this issue and thats what this is about for me.

[SA Friday]

I agree and thats why I would like to see the justice system determine if Mr. Wallace commited any crime or not, the thieves confessed at the start of the investigation I have heard, I think 5 months is long enough to bring charges against them.
With the fact of the previous plea to ag tres for one of these guys and the numerous pleas to ag tres that have been given specifically to illegals in CO for political reasons, I reserve the right to call B.S. on the investigation that held up the local PD from filing charges.
I do not give law enforcement the benefit of the dought, they must prove everything they do in my eyes, that the way it is, they have to much power to abuse and have numerous abuses in the past as a whole.
We dont need to give LEO's a hard time or treat them poorly, but the burdon of proof on this matter is on them and 5 months has been long enough, its time we got involved and demanded them to answer up on this issue and thats what this is about for me.

The system IS determining if Mr Wallace committed a crime. The investigators gather the facts, the DA determines if those facts should constitute arrest and a trial (this is where prosecutorial discression happens). If a trial, then the jury gets to determine if Mr Wallace committed a crime. Seriously, did you read the affidavit for Mr Wallace's arrest? That was pretty cut-and-dry stuff.

I'm pretty sure if you were under investigation for a crime and aspects of that crime were not coming out, you would like the investigators to not rush the end product. 5 months is nothing for an investigation. As stated much earlier in this thread, there may have been organized crime in play with the illegals. I've been involved in a few investigations with conspiracies and lots of stolen items. Multiple subjects, multiple victims, trying to recover as much of the stolen posessions as possible, affidavits, technical surveillances... 5 months is nothing. Conversely, Mr Wallace's situation was singular and fairly simple to resolve investigatively.

So far, I haven't seen any LE corruption in this. I haven't seen any DA impropriety or corruption either. All I've seen is a sworn affidavit for Mr Wallace's arrest for facts that even Mr Wallace concurred with in his interview with the Denver Post yesterday.

Jim, you are simply ranting. Nothing I type or say will change that.


Damn... I tried so hard to not get sucked into another long drawn out thread about cop hating and stupidity. Last post on this one for me. I've already deleted too much.

[Irving]

Damn... I tried so hard to not get sucked into another long drawn out thread about cop hating and stupidity. Last post on this one for me. I've already deleted too much.

Hook, line, and sinker!

[StagLefty]

Whole story was on the 5 p.m. news tonight-same questions and same confusion.

[Byte Stryke]

Damn... I tried so hard to not get sucked into another long drawn out thread about cop hating and stupidity. Last post on this one for me. I've already deleted too much.

I Quit after people started referring to each other as stupid.
Speaking on MY Behalf... I never intended this to be about cop hating.
My argument has primarily been about the seemingly half-stepped pace at which persons that should not have been there in the first place are being prosecuted.
See also: Why weren't they deported and the border enforced after the first time they were arrested and convicted instead of given a plea.
Broke immigration laws, stole something, (not deported or deported and broke law again), stole something again

Let it be known that the only person I feel I might have caused affront is oneguy67. That was pretty much due to the fact that we don't know your experience, and not all of us were making snap judgements.
Stop in, Say Hi. Tell us about yourself so we know a little more about where you are coming from.

I Don't intend to bash anyone in here for their beliefs or opinions. I will fight for your right to speak your mind and hold your beliefs, no matter how fucked up they are.

[StagLefty]

I will fight for your right to speak your mind and hold your beliefs, no matter how fucked up they are.

win win

[jim02]

The system IS determining if Mr Wallace committed a crime. The investigators gather the facts, the DA determines if those facts should constitute arrest and a trial (this is where prosecutorial discression happens). If a trial, then the jury gets to determine if Mr Wallace committed a crime. Seriously, did you read the affidavit for Mr Wallace's arrest? That was pretty cut-and-dry stuff.

I'm pretty sure if you were under investigation for a crime and aspects of that crime were not coming out, you would like the investigators to not rush the end product. 5 months is nothing for an investigation. As stated much earlier in this thread, there may have been organized crime in play with the illegals. I've been involved in a few investigations with conspiracies and lots of stolen items. Multiple subjects, multiple victims, trying to recover as much of the stolen posessions as possible, affidavits, technical surveillances... 5 months is nothing. Conversely, Mr Wallace's situation was singular and fairly simple to resolve investigatively.

So far, I haven't seen any LE corruption in this. I haven't seen any DA impropriety or corruption either. All I've seen is a sworn affidavit for Mr Wallace's arrest for facts that even Mr Wallace concurred with in his interview with the Denver Post yesterday.

Jim, you are simply ranting. Nothing I type or say will change that.


Damn... I tried so hard to not get sucked into another long drawn out thread about cop hating and stupidity. Last post on this one for me. I've already deleted too much.

I said I agree with you on the process of determining if Mr.Wallace commited a crime.

I dont have the inside on why gov agencies take so long to us average people to file charges and I never said that any one in LE has done any wrong doing in this case, but they may be tring to sneek one over as they have before.
LE and politicans have in the recent and distant past participated in wrong doings and thats the way it is, we cant change it, I wish we could.
Its not cop hating to realize that they are made up of people and people have their own agendas and cops do commit crimes themselves.
I even said we should NOT treat LE bad. I want to clarify, I do NOT think is ok for people to treat cops bad just becase they are cops and I do NOT support anyone that feels they have a need to hurt or kill any LEO's for the sake of killing or hurting a LEO.

I did not realize I was draging you into some stupid cop hating thread since I am not a cop hater and do not advocate cop hating.

We are the watch dogs of our freedom and if we dont start to take this shit seriously after all we have been through as a people in the past 10 years then just hosit the RED flag. OPPS I better stop here before I do get into a rant.

SAFriday, I am just having friendy conversation with you, please dont take it any other way.

[DOC]

Whole story was on the 5 p.m. news tonight-same questions and same confusion.

It was on Fox 31 news this morning. Tom Martino was taking Mr. Wallace's side.

[Elhuero]

lol

cop haters


http://www.urlesque.com/2010/05/12/2...a-hate-images/

[DOC]

[quote=Elhuero;220738]lol

cop haters