Ohio shooting

[BPTactical]

Side Note: As these recent issues arose, I kept being reminded how little we still know about the Las Vegas massacre.

Nothing happened there, move along now citizen-pick up that can!

[Gman]

Just on the news...In light of the 2 recent shootings, an announcement is coming from the White House soon.

...better break out the KY.

With the media coverage and highlighting of the killers in the media, the next event should occur in 3...2....

[ChickNorris]

I want a back rub first.

[Gman]

I bet we don't even get a reach around. Prez is talking now.

ETA: Blaming the Internet, violent video games, identifying and acting on warning signs - promoting Red Flag laws ("rapid due process", whatever the hell that is)...takes credit for banning bump stocks.

We must seek real bi-partisan solutions...

Video of the event:

[Martinjmpr]

I've never liked Trump much but I wonder if his linking any proposed gun control to immigration reform is a way to "poison pill" any proposed legislation.

After all, immigration is Trump's signature issue. If the Dems give any ground on immigration, not only does it threaten to bust up their fragile coalition and incur the wrath of "the squad", it also lets Trump declare a victory, which is something the Dems cannot do in the run-up to the 2020 election.

OTOH if they tell him they will not accept anything less than gun control without a link to immigration, he can tell them to get stuffed (and they don't have the votes to get it through without him) and he can then point to the Dems and say "they said they wanted gun control but they'd rather help illegals stay in the country than protect your children."

Either way, the Dems lose.

Understand, I'm not trying to argue that Trump is any kind of friend to the 2nd Amendment. What I am saying is that Trump is all about helping himself and by linking any proposed gun control to immigration reform, he is driving a wedge right into the heart of the current Democratic party.

It says something when even a lefty like Bill Maher sees the self-destructiveness of the Democratic presidential candidates:

https://news.yahoo.com/bill-maher-de...8xBHNlYwNzYw--

"All the Democrats have to do to win is to come off less crazy than Trump and, of course, they're blowing it," Maher said in his closing monologue during his HBO show, "Real Time with Bill Maher."

Democrats are "coming across as unserious people who are going to take away all your money so migrants from Honduras can go to college for free and get a major in 'America sucks,'" he said.

[MrAK]

I bet we don't even get a reach around. Prez is talking now.

ETA: Blaming the Internet, violent video games, identifying and acting on warning signs - promoting Red Flag laws ("rapid due process", whatever the hell that is)...takes credit for banning bump stocks.

We must seek real bi-partisan solutions...

Video of the event:

What a piece of shit. Yeah, the problem has to be that we have too many rights including due process, video games manufacture murderers, and nothing was done to stop the Parkland shooting because there were no tools available (as opposed to proven political corruption).... yeah..

[Gman]

The left is all over Trump in not coming right out and banning "assault weapons". "Get the guns, get the guns, get the guns...." Cory Booker stating that assault weapons are used by white supremacists while we know the vast majority of them are being used for self-defense and other legal uses. I heard a BS statistic about how great the Clinton ban was a few minutes ago. In reality, there was an inability to tell if the Clinton ban had any effect at all.

We have politicians making statements for political leverage before there's an understanding of any details and the bodies are still warm.

This is a mess and a political football.

[Irving]

Side Note: As these recent issues arose, I kept being reminded how little we still know about the Las Vegas massacre.

Can you help me understand this comment?

After every shooting, there is plenty of blame towards the media for wall to wall coverage, providing names, not letting the story die, etc. But at the same time, every time, the Vegas Shooting gets brought up with people demanding to know more.
Why the dichotomy?

[Gman]

It doesn't seem like the issue with Vegas is the media. It seems that the government is restricting the details. There were firearms in the murderer's room that had bump stocks and others that didn't. We still don't know the details, but we had governmental action to take firearm furniture to the level of being a "machine gun".

We certainly don't know as much about the Vegas killer as we know within a day of these recent attacks. Maybe it was just due to his age/lack of social media participation, but I don't know. This morning I'm hearing about the Ohio killer having a 'kill list' and a 'rape list' and being kicked out of high school.

We've seen mass murders where legal restricted magazines were used, but the focus is a need to take away "high capacity magazines". Life experience has taught me that mass murder occurs without the use of firearms, but the political focus is to remove arms from the general public.

I just heard from the police chief in Ohio about the loose ammo in the killer's backpack, magazine capacity whether full or empty, to make the point that there could have been 250 victims (41 empty cartridges were recovered). The weapon was "modified to function as a rifle". I imagine this was a pistol with a brace where the brace was held to the shoulder, but no details yet.

"These are weapons of war." "There is no purpose for these types of firearms to be available to the public."

I see the implied messaging, being poured on while emotions are high, and it's targeted (no pun intended). I'm even hearing it on Fox News this morning as Islamist terrorism is being identified as "mental illness". 'Anybody that wants to kill a lot of people based on race is mentally ill." (Islamist terrorists don't give a rat's ass about "race", but this stuff is difficult for talking heads in the media.)

"Restricting access" is the mantra.

From what I can see, the Constitution is dead and our society is swirling the bowl.

[Irving]

So we want information, but once we have it, then the news can move on and let us mull over it privately at our leisure.