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    So it goes like this?

    9news producer to BLM guy- Hey, go talk shit to someone, try to get them to fight. Don't worry, we have an armed guard to take care of any problems. Just go start something so we get some sweet video.

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    Based on the witnesses description, it doesn’t appear that the shooters life was in danger of serious bodily injury at any point.
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    Default Self Defense or a crime? Sealed Affidavit?

    Affidavit seems well written and clear. If the shooter smacked the deceased, I'd say hang him with murder 1. But the shooter was obviously attacked. And the affidavit does not tell the whole story. A conviction could set a bad precedent. And a conviction overturned could be really expensive for the state. I could go on ad nauseum about this case.Click image for larger version. 

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    https://kdvr.com/wp-content/uploads/...Matthew-PC.pdf
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    Quote Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy View Post
    Affidavit seems well written and clear. If the shooter smacked the deceased, I'd say hang him with murder 1. But the shooter was obviously attacked. And the affidavit does not tell the whole story. A conviction could set a bad precedent. And a conviction overturned could be really expensive for the state. I could go on ad nauseum about this case.Click image for larger version. 

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    I noticed right away the fact that Doloff reached for the can of OC spray in Keltner’s hand which was down at his side just prior to Keltner striking Doloff with an open hand was left out. Seems pretty relevant, considering Doloff is almost assuredly going to claim self defense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VDW View Post
    I noticed right away the fact that Doloff reached for the can of OC spray in Keltner’s hand which was down at his side just prior to Keltner striking Doloff with an open hand was left out. Seems pretty relevant, considering Doloff is almost assuredly going to claim self defense.
    I haven't watched the video, but this is the first time I've seen anyone even mention it. It certainly wasn't in any of the news reports I read.
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    You can see Doloff reaching for Keltner’s hand which is holding the OC (not mace, BTW) in the photo where Keltner is slapping Doloff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PSS View Post
    Not good.

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    Trying to grab another man's shit and getting slapped for it doesn't really vibe with using a "self defense" claim in Colorado. And the bear mace wasn't deployed until shooter was obviously trying to clear leather.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtneer View Post
    Frame by frame, 71 images w/time stamps: https://www.denverpost.com/2020/10/1...full-sequence/

    Good analysis by Greg Ellifritz: https://www.activeresponsetraining.n...spray-shooting
    Looking at the photos, it doesn't appear the guy even attempted to bring up the pepper spray until after the shooter started to draw.

    Edit: 00tec beat me to it by 2 minutes.
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