Citizen Strike?

[Eric P]

Kinda hope Trump dies of an old age cause before the next primaries.

[OldFogey]

Kinda hope Trump dies of an old age cause before the next primaries.

Sweet. Then we can get back to insiders. Is there another Bush available, then?

[Great-Kazoo]

I heard an earlier date. Just local. I imagine multiple small scale strikes before something widespread. It's hard to say though. With social media word travels fast. I can see things escalating quickly as opposing ideologies attempt to move faster than the other guys.

Glad I don't have travel plans.

It's getting to be winter weather. people don't leave their homes if it's too hot, or cold. I doubt we'll see any form of mass protest.



The good news is. We now have A WAR ON COVID!

https://www.aol.com/finance/war-agai...133045480.html


Since the war's on drugs and terrorism have world so well. No wonder biden had all our service people return home.

National guard's "assisting" reduced workforce medical facilities and other "essential" business. Sure ..........

[FoxtArt]

It's getting to be winter weather. people don't leave their homes if it's too hot, or cold. I doubt we'll see any form of mass protest.



The good news is. We now have A WAR ON COVID!

https://www.aol.com/finance/war-agai...133045480.html


Since the war's on drugs and terrorism have world so well. No wonder biden had all our service people return home.

National guard's "assisting" reduced workforce medical facilities and other "essential" business. Sure ..........

I REALLY hope that both sides of the mandate issue (Texas and the Fed) hold their ground and make an issue of it.

Instead, I think we'll see some dumb federal court ruling, as well as the Feds doing round-about-mandates anyway and Texas doing nothing about it.

Just like all the sovereign 2A legislation across all the states... it's a political billboard. Until a state actually reliably enforces it against federal officers, it's almost nothing. I'd really like to see the Texas EO enforced... I just don't have faith.

[hollohas]

(case in point: blasphemy Trump in a church and see all sorts of people argue with you. Say "the lords name in vain" and you'll just get dirty looks.)

Ha! "Case in point"...right...How many churches have you experienced this in?

The people that hate Trump have turned it into a religion as much as or more than people that love Trump. Say something nice about Trump and see all sorts of people come out of the woodwork to argue with you, sometimes violently.

I truly hope Trump doesn't run again. I don't like him, but thought he was a pretty darn good Pres. But he cannot win. If people think there was cheating last time, it's no comparison to what we'll see if Trump runs again.

[theGinsue]

Any company that operates on a national level vice just within one state (i.e. Texas) in one form or another does business with the federal government, or at a minimum are regulated under federal interstate commerce rules. The .fed has already issued direction that any organization that does business with them WILL enforce the mandate lest they lose the ability to do business with the .fed and, I suspect, face federal penalties (such as loss of licenses and federal government approvals to operate). Fourteenth Amendment be damned.

While states SHOULD be able to dictate things of this nature, the states are David and the .fed is Goliath -- only in this type of situation, Goliath has no chance of losing.

[FoxtArt]

Basically it boils down to the willingness to sucede or not. Is Texas going to over the EO? 99% not. So it's just not getting enforced.

If it did, Feds would pull all funding, medicaid, etc., and it really boils down to the purse instead of the punisher. US Gov would be hard pressed to find active duty military willing to shoot at Texans, so that's simply not an option. But the purse is all powerful. If a state was brave enough to give the purse the finger, then things would start changing in this country.

But... money is the root of something, something. Everyone loves their paycheck, including politicians.

What is the biggest irony in our modern era is all it takes is a government to say "no" to court rulings, back it by enforcement, and the whole facade of our government comes crashing down.

e.g. ---> https://www.oyez.org/cases/1850-1900/74us700

Texas should just unilaterally legislate it and give the federal government the finger. Whadyagunnadoboutit? Once detached from the purse, the federal government has nothing left to threaten.

[FoxtArt]

I truly hope Trump doesn't run again. I don't like him, but thought he was a pretty darn good Pres. But he cannot win. If people think there was cheating last time, it's no comparison to what we'll see if Trump runs again.

Sort of agree with you - policy wise in the moment, and SCOTUS, good.

In a bigger-picture perspective though, I don't think it was good at all. We don't have a crystal ball to compare to what it would have been with other possible primary candidates, but I can't imagine policy or SCOTUS would've been much different. So I can't attribute the policy and SCOTUS to Trump as it would be roughly uniform through the party.

So the long ramifications - partially artificial by the media, partially from the constant narcissism "mean tweets", partially from his black/white thinking attacking his own cabinet and our military, blah blah blah, pushed a lot of people away and we ended up with an Alzheimer progressive patient as a president instead of four more years under a conservative flag. The biggest damage though is a party that wants to cleave in two (GOP and Trump) leaving the progressives with assured domination.

In the micro, he was good. In the macro, it seems he may end up being a nuclear bomb to conservatives.

[hollohas]

Any company that operates on a national level vice just within one state (i.e. Texas) in one form or another does business with the federal government, or at a minimum are regulated under federal interstate commerce rules. The .fed has already issued direction that any organization that does business with them WILL enforce the mandate lest they lose the ability to do business with the .fed and, I suspect, face federal penalties (such as loss of licenses and federal government approvals to operate). Fourteenth Amendment be damned.

While states SHOULD be able to dictate things of this nature, the states are David and the .fed is Goliath -- only in this type of situation, Goliath has no chance of losing.

The Feds have issued directions and threats, but have any actual regulations, rules, EO's or laws actually been issued that mandate vax? So far it just been "you need to do this" coming from the feds, but nothing official as far as I can tell. Seems like contractors are just obeying the threats even though there literally isn't a single legal document been issued by the feds that mandate vax for contractors. Right?

[Seamonkey]

But... money is the root of something, something. Everyone loves their paycheck, including politicians.

The LOVE of money is the root. Money is just a tool

What is the biggest irony in our modern era is all it takes is a government to say "no" to court rulings, back it by enforcement, and the whole facade of our government comes crashing down.

e.g. ---> https://www.oyez.org/cases/1850-1900/74us700

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