Is paramilitary training illegal?

[275RLTW]

I think you better look again. Many of their civilian courses include time in their Fun House including 250 pistol, 350 pistol, Team tactics 4 Two, 260 shotgun, carbine classes and others..

Been there, know some of the instructors, and know the POI. Again, they are teaching defensive tactics, not team entries and such.

[kidicarus13]

Just because you consume oxygen doesn't mean you're entitled to have everything GIVEN to you. Some things you have to earn.

Sounds to me like you're just mad you had to take the long, hard road to get this type if training. This is America 2012 where $ talks, you can find LE/mil assault training if you are willing to pay- sorry.

[hollohas]

Been there, know some of the instructors, and know the POI. Again, they are teaching defensive tactics, not team entries and such.

You specifically said they do not offer shoot house classes to civilians. What do you call a two man team clearing a building room by room which contains "good guy" and " bad guy" targets? That is a shoot house.

Here's a bit of the description from the Team Tactic 4Two course which is just one of many courses that have shoot house training.

Do you and your loved one care to COMBINE your existing skills, and expand them into a team format?  “Then, Team Tactics 4 Two” is the class for you. 

Two Person Tactics takes shooting, moving and COMMUNICATING to a new level.  Our students learn safe gun-handling in confined spaces, assessing and reacting to multiple threats, covering fire, continuity of fire, cooperative movement, and ambush techniques.  Extensive “square range” work will be done in live fire drills on paper and steel targets to build your team’s skills.  These skills will then be applied in home invasion scenarios and car-jacking scenarios.  This course includes Force-on-Force exercises with Simunitions, and live fire in our Simulators.

Regarding it only being defensive...Ambush techniques? Sounds offensive to me...

Hell, even their "self defense" rifle courses teach techniques out to several hundred yards which is FAR outside any true self defense distance.

Your opinion may be that civilians don't need offensive training, which I won't argue with since opinions are like assholes (everyone's got one and they all stink"), but the FACT is civilians can get a bit of offensive training.

[Bailey Guns]

Oh, boy. I can't wait to see the response.

[275RLTW]

Sounds to me like you're just mad you had to take the long, hard road to get this type if training. This is America 2012 where $ talks, you can find LE/mil assault training if you are willing to pay- sorry.

Quite the opposite. I'm glad I have the balls to get off my ass and do things right, as is everyone else that puts on a mil or LE uniform. If I were a lazy POS who thinks the world is owed to them...I'd have to shoot myself! I would like to see you pitch that "money talks" BS to Kyle Lamb, Paul Howe, or Larry Vickers. There is this little things called integrity that money cannot buy.

You specifically said they do not offer shoot house classes to civilians. What do you call a two man team clearing a building room by room which contains "good guy" and " bad guy" targets? That is a shoot house.

Here's a bit of the description from the Team Tactic 4Two course which is just one of many courses that have shoot house training.



Regarding it only being defensive...Ambush techniques? Sounds offensive to me...

Hell, even their "self defense" rifle courses teach techniques out to several hundred yards which is FAR outside any true self defense distance.

Your opinion may be that civilians don't need offensive training, which I won't argue with since opinions are like assholes (everyone's got them and they all stink"), but the FACT is civilians can get a bit of offensive training.

You seem to have not read that entire quote:

These skills will then be applied in home invasion scenarios and car-jacking scenarios.

And shooting out to several hundred yards is called marksmanship and application of fundamentals. If you shot as much as you typed, you might understand that.

[asmo]

I believe this thread has gone full retard.

[hollohas]

You seem to have not read that entire quote:

And shooting out to several hundred yards is called marksmanship and application of fundamentals.

Yeah, I get that. I also get that ambush techniques aren't needed to defend against a car jacking. Many "self defense" courses included offensive techniques and training, plain and simple.

If you shot as much as you typed, you might understand that.

Funny, considering you have typed more posts in this thread than I have...

[Danimal]

Wasn't there just a case a little while back where a guy heard a mans voice coming form his 12 year old daughters room, and when he went to open the door it was locked? Turns out there was an armed serial rapist in the room with his daughter. I can see justification for some of the techniques in question.

[ben4372]

Nothing stopping anyone from doing that...kind of like learning how to f*ck by watching porn though...

I saved 50 bucks by watching the video. The tactical class was full. Only two complaints so far, and no one died.

[Sharpienads]

I think this is probably why they were arrested"

According to police, Faella was planning to stage provocative disruptions at the Orlando City Hall and at a Melbourne, Florida, anarchist gathering that included members of anti-racist skinhead groups.

I don't know what the FL law says, but I doubt just teaching "paramilitary tactics" is illegal by itself. I think the fact that they were actively training for a specific event was what got them in trouble.

Applied to CRS:

(2) Any person who teaches or demonstrates to any person the use, application, or making of any firearm, explosive or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to any person and who knows that the same will be unlawfully used in furtherance of a civil disorder and any person who assembles with one or more other persons for the purpose of training or practicing with, or being instructed in the use of, any firearm, explosive or incendiary device, or technique capable of causing injury or death to any person with the intent to unlawfully use the same in furtherance of a civil disorder commits a class 5 felony.

So basic training isn't illegal, but say specifically training to go shoot up the courthouse would be. Or in the FL case, they were "planning to stage provocative disruptions at the Orlando City Hall and at a Melbourne, Florida, anarchist gathering."

FL law may or may not be similar, I don't know.