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I know of no dealers near to me that will do a transfer for $10. Plus that $10 will go to the CBI + whatever your dealer charges. Thus if they charge $10 and your dealer does $50 transfers, you'll have to pay $60 just to sell your gun to your neighbor.

This was debated yesterday in the hearing. The way the bill is written the FFLs can only charge $10.00. There is nothing in the bill that allows an FFL to refuse to do the transfer or charge more than $10.00. If a NICS fee/tax is imposed that would be above the $10.00 listed in the Bill.

[jhood001]

I'm just mighty curious if getting the background checks under control is going to be part of their push for the universal checks.

Totally. One of the biggest arguments against the checks last night was how long it takes and how unjust it is for people needing a gun immediately for whatever reason to have to wait weeks. Or at least that was one of the few arguments they showed any interest in. If they can reduce wait times to a more reasonable level, it will be one less argument in the way.

I wouldn't be surprised if CBI got a call last night that opened up overtime or something.

[lowbeyond]

This was debated yesterday in the hearing. The way the bill is written the FFLs can only charge $10.00. There is nothing in the bill that allows an FFL to refuse to do the transfer or charge more than $10.00. If a NICS fee/tax is imposed that would be above the $10.00 listed in the Bill.

I could have missed an amendment but there noting in the bill that requires them to do it. All it says is that you cannot transfer without getting a BG check. Hell you cant even loan your friend a gun unless you are at a State Approved venue.

18-12-112. Private firearms transfers - background check
5 required - penalty. (1) EXCEPT AS DESCRIBED IN SUBSECTION (6) OF THIS
6 SECTION, BEFORE ANY PERSON WHO IS NOT A LICENSED GUN DEALER, AS
7 DEFINED IN SECTION 12-26.1-106(6),C.R.S., TRANSFERS OR ATTEMPTS TO
8 TRANSFER POSSESSION OF A FIREARM, HE OR SHE SHALL:
9 (a) REQUIRE THAT A BACKGROUND CHECK, IN ACCORDANCE WITH
10 SECTION 24-33.5-424, C.R.S., BE CONDUCTED OF THE PROSPECTIVE
11 TRANSFEREE; AND
12 (b)OBTAIN APPROVAL OF A TRANSFER FROM THE BUREAU AFTER A
13 BACKGROUND CHECK HAS BEEN REQUESTED BY A LICENSED GUN DEALER,
14 IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 24-33.5-424, C.R.S.
15 (2) (a) A PROSPECTIVE FIREARM TRANSFEROR WHO IS NOT A
16 LICENSED GUN DEALER SHALL ARRANGE FOR A LICENSED GUN DEALER TO
17 OBTAIN THE BACKGROUND CHECK REQUIRED BY THIS SECTION.
18 (b) A LICENSED GUN DEALER WHO OBTAINS A BACKGROUND CHECK
19 ON A PROSPECTIVE TRANSFEREE SHALL RECORD THE TRANSFER, AS
20 PROVIDED IN SECTION 12-26-102, C.R.S., AND RETAIN THE RECORDS, AS
21 PROVIDED IN SECTION 12-26-103,C.R.S., IN THE SAME MANNER AS WHEN
22 CONDUCTING A SALE, RENTAL, OR EXCHANGE AT RETAIL. THE LICENSED
23 GUN DEALER SHALL COMPLY WITH ALL STATE AND FEDERAL LAWS,
24 INCLUDING 18U.S.C. SEC. 922, AS IF HE OR SHE WERE TRANSFERRING THE
25 FIREARM FROM HIS OR HER INVENTORY TO THE PROSPECTIVE TRANSFEREE.
26 (c) A LICENSED GUN DEALER WHO OBTAINS A BACKGROUND CHECK

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FOR A PROSPECTIVE 1 FIREARM TRANSFEROR PURSUANT TO THIS SECTION
2 SHALL PROVIDE THE FIREARM TRANSFEROR A COPY OF THE RESULTS OF
3 THE BACKGROUND CHECK, INCLUDING THE BUREAU'S APPROVAL OR
4 DISAPPROVAL OF THE TRANSFER.
5 (d) A LICENSED GUN DEALER MAY CHARGE A FEE FOR SERVICES
6 RENDERED PURSUANT TO THIS SECTION, WHICH FEE SHALL NOT EXCEED
7 TEN DOLLARS.

[mtnrider]

This was debated yesterday in the hearing. The way the bill is written the FFLs can only charge $10.00. There is nothing in the bill that allows an FFL to refuse to do the transfer or charge more than $10.00. If a NICS fee/tax is imposed that would be above the $10.00 listed in the Bill.

I was thinking the $10 would be a fee to CBI and then they would charge there transfer fee on top of this. I can't see many FFL's agreeing to do $10 transfers. I think most would stick to new gun purchases only and avoid person to person transfers.

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[mtnrider]

3 THE BACKGROUND CHECK, INCLUDING THE BUREAU'S APPROVAL OR
4 DISAPPROVAL OF THE TRANSFER.
5 (d) A LICENSED GUN DEALER MAY CHARGE A FEE FOR SERVICES
6 RENDERED PURSUANT TO THIS SECTION, WHICH FEE SHALL NOT EXCEED
7 TEN DOLLARS.

So I read this as it is $10 to do the BGC but they can still charge you a fee for transfer on top of this.

Did they make any exceptions for CCW holders. I know Florida has something similer. If you have a CCW you don't have to do the BGC (for dealer purchases)

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[merl]

sorry we don't do transfers but you can sell the gun to the store and we'll sell the gun to your friend there at a $50 markup +sales tax.

[DeusExMachina]

The way it is written the FFL must, by law, perform a background check to transfer a gun between two private parties. Hell, as it is written, they must do it if someone knocks on their door at 2AM to wake them up to do it.

[Ronin13]

I was thinking the $10 would be a fee to CBI and then they would charge there transfer fee on top of this. I can't see many FFL's agreeing to do $10 transfers. I think most would stick to new gun purchases only and avoid person to person transfers.

sorry we don't do transfers but you can sell the gun to the store and we'll sell the gun to your friend there at a $50 markup +sales tax.

This is where things could get really bad- and I think that's the Dem's point- what happens when no FFL wants to do the transfers anymore? Then no guns get sold this and effectively the State has just created a micro-black market. Oh and of course this does absolutely nothing to curb violence, or crime.

So I read this as it is $10 to do the BGC but they can still charge you a fee for transfer on top of this.

Did they make any exceptions for CCW holders. I know Florida has something similer. If you have a CCW you don't have to do the BGC (for dealer purchases)

Yes, and no exceptions for CCW, that's come up 3x and every single time it's been shot down. Seriously, the democrats don't like us gun owners, so they can go f*** themselves.

[lowbeyond]

The way it is written the FFL must, by law, perform a background check to transfer a gun between two private parties. Hell, as it is written, they must do it if someone knocks on their door at 2AM to wake them up to do it.

Where does it say that? Maybe im missing something....All This says is that non-ffl shall/aka must get a BGC. Nothing requires a FFL to do so.

15 (2) (a) A PROSPECTIVE FIREARM TRANSFEROR WHO IS NOT A
16 LICENSED GUN DEALER SHALL ARRANGE FOR A LICENSED GUN DEALER TO
17 OBTAIN THE BACKGROUND CHECK REQUIRED BY THIS SECTION.

[DeusExMachina]

Where does it say that? Maybe im missing something....All This says is that non-ffl shall/aka must get a BGC. Nothing requires a FFL to do so.

15 (2) (a) A PROSPECTIVE FIREARM TRANSFEROR WHO IS NOT A
16 LICENSED GUN DEALER SHALL ARRANGE FOR A LICENSED GUN DEALER TO
17 OBTAIN THE BACKGROUND CHECK REQUIRED BY THIS SECTION.

It was discussed yesterday, brought up by numerous witnesses and Republican Reps and confirmed by the bill's sponsor and author: an FFL would be REQUIRED to perform the background check, by LAW.