Shadow Ops Weaponry

[Great-Kazoo]

Is that just the AR-15 lowers? When I visited their shop last year to pick up mine I saw their machines cutting billets into AR-10 lowers.

When I got my two, I saw several billet blocks that were uncut, so not 80% lowers. That does not mean they don't use them for some products, just not all.

Not saying they were or were not actually machining lowers. The fact i have 2 lowers from the same place with the same forge marks, well i'll let the jury decide. Easiest way for verification, look for keyhole, square, offset square , or any of the other marks used. I know a few places tooling out AR-10 lowers, the market demand [for now] is higher than supply.

[Hound]

Not saying they were or were not actually machining lowers. The fact i have 2 lowers from the same place with the same forge marks, well i'll let the jury decide. Easiest way for verification, look for keyhole, square, offset square , or any of the other marks used. I know a few places tooling out AR-10 lowers, the market demand [for now] is higher than supply.

Not arguing with your statement and I don't have intimate knowledge of CNC machines but if two companies are running the same software/CAD file for the lower, would'nt the marks be the same? I got billet alluminum lowers from them, not forged. Maybe that is where we are seeing two different things, which would support what both of us are saying?

[XC700116]

Not arguing with your statement and I don't have intimate knowledge of CNC machines but if two companies are running the same software/CAD file for the lower, would'nt the marks be the same? I got billet alluminum lowers from them, not forged. Maybe that is where we are seeing two different things, which would support what both of us are saying?

He was talking about forged lowers, of which most all of the forged lowers made are made from a couple of different forgings/forging companies. Kinda like car batteries, there's only about 5 actual manufacturers in the country that make car batteries (outside of exotics like Optima, etc and for this discussion, consider them like the billet lower mfg's) but there's hundreds of different "brand names". These few mfg's either sell 80% or raw forgings to vendors that finish them out, or they finish them on site to customer spec and roll mark with customer's info.

Info from an Arfcom post that explains some of it here's a link http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_12/31...mpared___.html

Not all inclusive, and a few brands have had more than one manufacturer cut their receivers. Many companies receive CMT and LMT cuts in the white and finish them themselves. I have not seen a LAR or MMS cut that was finished by a third party company.

LMT = LMT, Lauer(old), DS Arms, PWA, Eagle, Knights Armament, Barrett, Bushmaster (?)
CMT = Stag, RRA, High Standard, Noveske (old), Century (current), Global Tactical, CLE, S&W, MGI (1st batch), Wilson Tactical, (some?) Colt, Ratworx
LAR = Grizzly, Bushmaster (L Prefix), Ameetech, (?)DPMS, CMMG, Double Star, Fulton, Spike's Tactical, Noveske (new)
MMS = Mega, Gunsmoke, Dalphon, POF (forged), Alexander Arms, Stinger, Spike's Tactical(old)
JVP = Double Star, LRB
Olympic = Olypmic, SGW, Tromix, Palmetto, Dalphon, Frankford, (old) Century
Superior = Superior Arms, Lauer (current)
Grenadier Precision
Sabre Defence (?)

Now Billet receivers is a whole other ball game and all the info goes out the window as to weather or not they're using someone else's CAD files, or their own, or if they are starting with solid blocks vs partially finished billets, etc. Only they can tell you that. But honestly if you've got all the CNC equipment, there's no reason to start with someone else's partially machined units.

[Great-Kazoo]

He was talking about forged lowers, of which most all of the forged lowers made are made from a couple of different forgings/forging companies. Kinda like car batteries, there's only about 5 actual manufacturers in the country that make car batteries (outside of exotics like Optima, etc and for this discussion, consider them like the billet lower mfg's) but there's hundreds of different "brand names". These few mfg's either sell 80% or raw forgings to vendors that finish them out, or they finish them on site to customer spec and roll mark with customer's info.

Info from an Arfcom post that explains some of it here's a link http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_12/31...mpared___.html




Now Billet receivers is a whole other ball game and all the info goes out the window as to weather or not they're using someone else's CAD files, or their own, or if they are starting with solid blocks vs partially finished billets, etc. Only they can tell you that. But honestly if you've got all the CNC equipment, there's no reason to start with someone else's partially machined units.

Thanks we're both correct, but talking 2 different items.

[Duman]

waxthis, thanks for the endorsement !

I had stopped by SO after hearing of issues with deliveries. Until I logged in, had no idea how bad things were. I did order a bolt carrier assembly from them, online, and it seemed to take a looooong time to ship.

We could form a posse, and descend upon them.......

Jeeze, now I'm thinking about posse.....

[Great-Kazoo]

waxthis, thanks for the endorsement !

I had stopped by SO after hearing of issues with deliveries. Until I logged in, had no idea how bad things were. I did order a bolt carrier assembly from them, online, and it seemed to take a looooong time to ship.

We could form a posse, and descend upon them.......

Jeeze, now I'm thinking about posse.....

Duman is GTG. I personally know him. Vouch for him, that's a different story. Now keep your nose clean kid, and post away.

[jerrymrc]

1. I think it is bullshit that the administration of this website edited info from my other post in this thread. A SHIT TON of people have been ripped off by this company, and I posted info for people to help get in contact with the company to resolve the issue and it was deleted.

I can can totally understand if I posted something wrong, like family members info, home addresses, ect, but all I did was post the numbers off of the front door of the business, and off of the guys business card. Nothing that they didn't, and don't continue to give out.

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You might want to look here. https://www.ar-15.co/threads/77357-A...ASE-READ/page4 I will not get into a pissing match. It was brought to our attention that one or more of the numbers posted is not public and not on the door. Nothing has been done but the removal of a phone number.

Good/bad/right or wrong we have allowed all the posts and replies. The fact that now you want to carry on at the staff of a private site will go no further.