Shadow Ops Weaponry

[Duman]

I'm new to this forum, recommended by a friend.

[Great-Kazoo]

What are you thinking? Hmmmmm?

Not sure but you are stuck at 29. (when did that happen?)

I have only one thing to say about this whole Shadow ops thing. After the last year or so of reading all the delays and problems, there is far too many other respected and well established companies around that would get a penny from me, that have live stock and will ship immediately. I am picky that way.............

Outside the flashy engraving and finishes SO was doing. You are aware they were finishing 80% keyhole marked lowers and putting their name on them. Along with anything else one paid for.
I have one of their SO finished lowers and 1 of the 80% units from them. Same unit (outside being fully functional) minus SHADOW OPS, FROGMONT CO.

[Dave]

Outside the flashy engraving and finishes SO was doing. You are aware they were finishing 80% keyhole marked lowers and putting their name on them. Along with anything else one paid for.
I have one of their SO finished lowers and 1 of the 80% units from them. Same unit (outside being fully functional) minus SHADOW OPS, FROGMONT CO.

Is that just the AR-15 lowers? When I visited their shop last year to pick up mine I saw their machines cutting billets into AR-10 lowers.

[Hound]

When I got my two, I saw several billet blocks that were uncut, so not 80% lowers. That does not mean they don't use them for some products, just not all.

[Great-Kazoo]

Is that just the AR-15 lowers? When I visited their shop last year to pick up mine I saw their machines cutting billets into AR-10 lowers.

When I got my two, I saw several billet blocks that were uncut, so not 80% lowers. That does not mean they don't use them for some products, just not all.

Not saying they were or were not actually machining lowers. The fact i have 2 lowers from the same place with the same forge marks, well i'll let the jury decide. Easiest way for verification, look for keyhole, square, offset square , or any of the other marks used. I know a few places tooling out AR-10 lowers, the market demand [for now] is higher than supply.

[Hound]

Not saying they were or were not actually machining lowers. The fact i have 2 lowers from the same place with the same forge marks, well i'll let the jury decide. Easiest way for verification, look for keyhole, square, offset square , or any of the other marks used. I know a few places tooling out AR-10 lowers, the market demand [for now] is higher than supply.

Not arguing with your statement and I don't have intimate knowledge of CNC machines but if two companies are running the same software/CAD file for the lower, would'nt the marks be the same? I got billet alluminum lowers from them, not forged. Maybe that is where we are seeing two different things, which would support what both of us are saying?

[waxthis]

Be nice to the Duman boys, you no not what your messing with....

[XC700116]

Not arguing with your statement and I don't have intimate knowledge of CNC machines but if two companies are running the same software/CAD file for the lower, would'nt the marks be the same? I got billet alluminum lowers from them, not forged. Maybe that is where we are seeing two different things, which would support what both of us are saying?

He was talking about forged lowers, of which most all of the forged lowers made are made from a couple of different forgings/forging companies. Kinda like car batteries, there's only about 5 actual manufacturers in the country that make car batteries (outside of exotics like Optima, etc and for this discussion, consider them like the billet lower mfg's) but there's hundreds of different "brand names". These few mfg's either sell 80% or raw forgings to vendors that finish them out, or they finish them on site to customer spec and roll mark with customer's info.

Info from an Arfcom post that explains some of it here's a link http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_12/31...mpared___.html

Not all inclusive, and a few brands have had more than one manufacturer cut their receivers. Many companies receive CMT and LMT cuts in the white and finish them themselves. I have not seen a LAR or MMS cut that was finished by a third party company.

LMT = LMT, Lauer(old), DS Arms, PWA, Eagle, Knights Armament, Barrett, Bushmaster (?)
CMT = Stag, RRA, High Standard, Noveske (old), Century (current), Global Tactical, CLE, S&W, MGI (1st batch), Wilson Tactical, (some?) Colt, Ratworx
LAR = Grizzly, Bushmaster (L Prefix), Ameetech, (?)DPMS, CMMG, Double Star, Fulton, Spike's Tactical, Noveske (new)
MMS = Mega, Gunsmoke, Dalphon, POF (forged), Alexander Arms, Stinger, Spike's Tactical(old)
JVP = Double Star, LRB
Olympic = Olypmic, SGW, Tromix, Palmetto, Dalphon, Frankford, (old) Century
Superior = Superior Arms, Lauer (current)
Grenadier Precision
Sabre Defence (?)

Now Billet receivers is a whole other ball game and all the info goes out the window as to weather or not they're using someone else's CAD files, or their own, or if they are starting with solid blocks vs partially finished billets, etc. Only they can tell you that. But honestly if you've got all the CNC equipment, there's no reason to start with someone else's partially machined units.

[cfortune]

Be nice to the Duman boys, you no not what your messing with....

lol If that is directed at me, I was just kidding. Is kind of funny that someone's first post is something positive (well, not positive, but I can't think of a better word at the moment) about the company after pages of negativity towards them.

Welcome to the forum Duman!

[Great-Kazoo]

He was talking about forged lowers, of which most all of the forged lowers made are made from a couple of different forgings/forging companies. Kinda like car batteries, there's only about 5 actual manufacturers in the country that make car batteries (outside of exotics like Optima, etc and for this discussion, consider them like the billet lower mfg's) but there's hundreds of different "brand names". These few mfg's either sell 80% or raw forgings to vendors that finish them out, or they finish them on site to customer spec and roll mark with customer's info.

Info from an Arfcom post that explains some of it here's a link http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_12/31...mpared___.html




Now Billet receivers is a whole other ball game and all the info goes out the window as to weather or not they're using someone else's CAD files, or their own, or if they are starting with solid blocks vs partially finished billets, etc. Only they can tell you that. But honestly if you've got all the CNC equipment, there's no reason to start with someone else's partially machined units.

Thanks we're both correct, but talking 2 different items.