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[Great-Kazoo]

$50K for legal fees in a wrongful death suit??? Good luck with that.

I got sued once for $16 million for excessive force by a family that made a career out of suing government entities. Took over 2 years to resolve and wound up with a 7 day trial in federal district court in Denver. Of course, I won because everyone knew these scumbags were lying.

Bottom line: My attorney fees over 2.5 years came up to about $480,000. Insurance paid that for me but the court ordered the dumbass that sued me to repay that amount to the insurance company.

Been there, done that with the civil thing. Don't want to do it again unless my life or the life of someone I really care about is jeopardized.

This and what Insp Fowler posted is what i too inform my students about. No matter what the out come of the DA's investigation IF you were involved in a use of deadly force shooting, the civil suit can and just might break you financially. Each and every round fired must and will be accounted for. The one that missed and hit innocent bystander X is the one that will have you charged with manslaughter or negligent homicide, that you can bank on. No matter how tough the talk i have seen the toughest freeze, or hesitate, just long enough to change the outcome of a confrontation.

One thing that was not mentioned or i missed in the many post is this. While the person with the CCW did not act as some would want, what was he carrying? What are you carrying? I could understand the train of thought "XX should have taken the shot no matter the distance" XX should have engaged etc"
So one of us carries a full size handgun, what was he carrying that day as all seem to assume the ccw had firepower with him.
Was it a Kimber, Colt, Glock or how about a Ruger or kelTec .380 even better one of the NAA mini guardian 22 S/A 1" bbl revolvers.
I would put money had the CCW engaged the perp with his .380 or even 22lr the topic would be how another CCW's bravado got him killed being out gunned and that his training was lacking because everyone knows being out gunned is a sure way to get killed.

[68Charger]

One thing that was not mentioned or i missed in the many post is this. While the person with the CCW did not act as some would want, what was he carrying? What are you carrying? I could understand the train of thought "XX should have taken the shot no matter the distance" XX should have engaged etc"
So one of us carries a full size handgun, what was he carrying that day as all seem to assume the ccw had firepower with him.
Was it a Kimber, Colt, Glock or how about a Ruger or kelTec .380 even better one of the NAA mini guardian 22 S/A 1" bbl revolvers.
I would put money had the CCW engaged the perp with his .380 or even 22lr the topic would be how another CCW's bravado got him killed being out gunned and that his training was lacking because everyone knows being out gunned is a sure way to get killed.

Well said- so the lesson we should all take away is that not being prepared always has consequences...
in real life, you have to weigh being prepared with lugging around an arsenal (and other tools for survival, nutjobs with a gun aren't the only thing that can go wrong, you know)

so reality limits what you prepare for- because trying to take your gun room, medical gear and tool box with you everywhere just isn't practical.

What I found interesting when I mentioned this story to my wife, and her first reaction was that they should pull his CCW permit, because he didn't help... I got her to calm down that he's not required to, he was outgunned, we don't know the whole story, etc... but she apparently puts a very high standard on those of us that carry...