Links To Listen/Watch Colorado Legislative Hearings Online Thread

[KestrelBike]

I know, the same people who told obama/rice that benghazi was about a protest for a youtube video.

[muddywings]

Wasn't 10 only for handguns ???

I don't think so...universal....buy your pmags now

[brutal]

So who's fucking with your bill bitch? Does she even know what's in it at this point?

[asmo]

"..could be just about anybody.."

[cfortune]

Whelp, this is fucking disgusting. Last year I was proud to become a Colorado resident. Fuck this shit.

I hear ya. When I bought a house here 3 years ago (been living here for 9 though), I thought I'd grow old here. I've already updated my online resume to show I'm willing to relocate...

[mahabali]

We are going to lose this one. I am going to bed, disgusted with this.

[sellersm]

"A" and "any" could be applied to LE? Anybody could be anybody, no exclusions for LE?

[brutal]

a vs. any

Oh, for fuck sakes.

[th3w01f]

A vs any... to me it means do you only charge the driver who didn't know what was otherwise legal in the car or all of the people in the car. Just my view.

[John123]

Frak them. I'm going to incorporate all of my magazines and tell them to frak off!

[clublights]

I don't think so...universal....buy your pmags now


I meant in the 1994 AWB law

[KestrelBike]

take down these fuckers' names.

[Sharpienads]

"A" and "any" could be applied to LE? Anybody could be anybody, no exclusions for LE?

There's an exemption built in for LE

[Fmedges]

I was thinking about going to go speak about the campus ccw ban but fuck that shit

[.455_Hunter]

What is the balance of power in the House? How many D's would have to vote no for it to fail?

[muddywings]

disregard--still amending

what was the "pass"

[sellersm]

7-4 for the amendment. Deja vu!

[sniper7]

L002. wonder what this is.

[motohooligan]

This shit is going to pass... bastards

[Adawg38]

FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU ALL DEM FUCKS! How bout we Amend you all go FUCK yourselves!

[sniper7]

What is the balance of power in the House? How many D's would have to vote no for it to fail?


2 would

[Ridge]

Oh god will this be the cop thing!?

[n8tive97]

This is nuts! I mean seriously watching our rights as law abiding citizens being diminished is just crazy! Oh ya Salazar is a DB!

[crashdown]

Uh-oh... Murder is about to become more illegal

[sellersm]

Salazar's talking about Dorner!

[Rucker61]

Oh god will this be the cop thing!?

It's the cop thing.

[KestrelBike]

I love this great fucking separation between the police and the civilians.

[sniper7]

L002 is allowing them to charge a LEO with a class 6 felony while using a large capacity magazine unlawfully during a felony.

[Ridge]

Damn.

[John123]

wow Salazar wow

[sniper7]

I love this great fucking separation between the police and the civilians.


yep....they think police are not civilians?

[asmo]

Of course the Police chiefs don't have an issue -- they saw the amendment last week.

Someone ask the Sheriffs

[sellersm]

I win! Fields just mentioned Dorner incident...

[newracer]

disregard--still amending

what was the "pass"

He simply passed on voting until he could hear how others were voting.

[HoneyBadger]

JFC this is absurd. You are all witnesses to a genetic evolution theory aptly named "Idiocracy".

[John123]

fudds and their 22s bastards

[sniper7]

L007....change the exception (a .22 caliber tube feeding device does not count as a high capacity mag). will change it and specify it that it "might" qualify if it is an attached device and only allow .22 caliber rimfire.

[HoneyBadger]

I hope Sheriff Maketa tells them to go off themselves.

[sellersm]

Kagan can't get the words out. he has no clue what he's saying...

[Fmedges]

I'm going to tell them to go fuck themselves. Come and get my magazines fuckers

[motohooligan]

This is batshit crazy

[Ridge]

I'm going to tell them to go fuck themselves. Come and get my magazines fuckers

They're not collecting them in this bill. They're attempting to prevent new ownership.

[Sharpienads]

This is batshit crazy

Yep.

[KestrelBike]

pretty sure I'd pay $100 to have our COAR live-thread onto the denverpost video feed in a subtitle-style.

[muddywings]

I hope Sheriff Maketa tells them to go off themselves.

ditto

[th3w01f]

I kinda feel like my first day in prison with a line forming behind me.

[loveski]

I kinda feel like my first day in prison with a line forming behind me.
Epic

[motohooligan]

I really didn't think after moving back to the states after living overseas for 6 years that I would have to come back to America and fight for my constitutional rights.

[crashdown]

How will they know on non date stamped mags? I just don't get it.

[10mm-man]

Getting sick of watching this, obvious which way they will vote........ Hope to see me flamed for this but doubt it!

[Rucker61]

The chair wouldn't recognize wisdom if he was standing in a field of wisdom flowers, surrounded by the three wise men singing "The Wisdom Song".

[Ridge]

How will they know on non date stamped mags? I just don't get it.

Logic is irrelevant.

[sellersm]

They're not collecting them in this bill. They're attempting to prevent new ownership.

That bill will come later.

[Rucker61]

How will they know on non date stamped mags? I just don't get it.

Even when one of the sheriffs pointed out that there is no way to tell.

[John123]

Can we make tube extensions kinda like a P90 mag but for 22s?

[th3w01f]

How will they know on non date stamped mags? I just don't get it.

Carbon dating?

[vossman]

They're not collecting them in this bill.

Not THIS one......

[motohooligan]

We have to change NUMERATION

[cfortune]

FUCK

[crashdown]

Even when one of the sheriffs pointed out that there is no way to tell.

that forces complete banning and no grandfathering

[Katastrophic]

How will they know on non date stamped mags? I just don't get it.

Exactly... They can't carbon date it so it's a waste of everyone's time.

[.455_Hunter]

OK guys. I guess these committees are a loaded deck. Time to focus energy on the general assembly. I know the Fort Garland rep has already stated that gun control is bunk. Just find one more.

[sniper7]

How will they know on non date stamped mags? I just don't get it.


curious as well. wondering if there will be a requirement that mags have a date stamp on them?

[Katastrophic]

Carbon dating?

I'm the scientist here. You took my point.

[th3w01f]

Exactly... They can't carbon date it so it's a waste of everyone's time.

I beat her to it and we're in the same room. [ROFL2]

[clublights]

curious as well. wondering if there will be a requirement that mags have a date stamp on them?

to sell new to leo i'd say yes .

[John123]

Uh the bill we just amended, uhhhh 87 uhhh 85 uhhh 745638


Jesus Christ

[jhirsh5280]

This whole amendment process seems like a lot of rhetoric and time and effort that will be wasted if the bill doesnt pass. Shouldnt the amendment process be done after and then re-voted on?

[asmo]

My new FB status:
If any of you care - Colorado Judiciary Committee is in the process of fucking all of us as we speak. Its painful to watch liberty die like this -- in a series of bureaucratic doublespeak and 3 card monte wordsmithing.

For those of you that voted for these people - FUCK YOU. I don't want you as friends. You fail the basic test - you don't want liberty you want to be subjects. Wear your chains comfortably.

[crashdown]

curious as well. wondering if there will be a requirement that mags have a date stamp on them?

so colorado can force all states to date stamp their mags in case they are brought into the state?

[.455_Hunter]

Who is the rep for Magpul's district? Are they D or R?

[lowbeyond]

How will they know on non date stamped mags? I just don't get it.

Hire a layer. Pay your $.

[John123]

How did we get a limey chairman? WTF

[th3w01f]

My new FB status:
If any of you care - Colorado Judiciary Committee is in the process of fucking all of us as we speak. Its painful to watch liberty die like this -- in a series of bureaucratic doublespeak and 3 card monte wordsmithing.

For those of you that voted for these people - FUCK YOU. I don't want you as friends. You fail the basic test - you don't want liberty you want to be subjects. Wear your chains comfortably.



Exactly!

[jhood001]

Listen to how confused even the committee is right now as they're trying to craft the language for the bill. They're in way over their heads and their confusion is just proof that they're just trying to get something finalized tonight so they have something to vote on. I hope they make enough mistakes that this thing gets shot down.

[John123]

BELT FED AR15s!!!!!!!!!

[KestrelBike]

My new FB status:
If any of you care - Colorado Judiciary Committee is in the process of fucking all of us as we speak. Its painful to watch liberty die like this -- in a series of bureaucratic doublespeak and 3 card monte wordsmithing.

For those of you that voted for these people - FUCK YOU. I don't want you as friends. You fail the basic test - you don't want liberty you want to be subjects. Wear your chains comfortably.



I'm printing that out and framing it on my wall.

[Sharpienads]

so colorado can force all states to date stamp their mags in case they are brought into the state?

HB 13-1224

18-12-303. Identification markings for large-capacity
15 magazines - rules. (1) A LARGE-CAPACITY MAGAZINE THAT IS
16 MANUFACTURED IN COLORADO ON OR AFTER THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS
17 SECTION MUST INCLUDE A SERIAL NUMBER AND THE DATE UPON WHICH
18 THE LARGE-CAPACITY MAGAZINE WAS MANUFACTURED OR ASSEMBLED.
19 THE SERIAL NUMBER AND DATE MUST BE LEGIBLY AND CONSPICUOUSLY
20 ENGRAVED OR CAST UPON THE OUTER SURFACE OF THE LARGE-CAPACITY
21 MAGAZINE.
22

[sniper7]

OK guys. I guess these committees are a loaded deck. Time to focus energy on the general assembly. I know the Fort Garland rep has already stated that gun control is bunk. Just find one more.

that is just the committee. they are voting party lines.

now in the colorado house of reps it is Dems: 37. Rep: 28. we would need 5 of them.

[motohooligan]

These fucktards don't even know what .22 rimfire is

[th3w01f]

So we can have a 500 rd .22 tub mag attachment?

[Katastrophic]

I feel like these people should take a Firearms 101 course before being allowed to vote on our future.

[sellersm]

they're clueless and the guy with Fields isn't helping any. This is better than Ringling Bros, Barnum & Bailey!

[HoneyBadger]

My new FB status:
If any of you care - Colorado Judiciary Committee is in the process of fucking all of us as we speak. Its painful to watch liberty die like this -- in a series of bureaucratic doublespeak and 3 card monte wordsmithing.

For those of you that voted for these people - FUCK YOU. I don't want you as friends. You fail the basic test - you don't want liberty you want to be subjects. Wear your chains comfortably.



We should be facebook friends.

[sniper7]

HB 13-1224

18-12-303. Identification markings for large-capacity
15 magazines - rules. (1) A LARGE-CAPACITY MAGAZINE THAT IS
16 MANUFACTURED IN COLORADO ON OR AFTER THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS
17 SECTION MUST INCLUDE A SERIAL NUMBER AND THE DATE UPON WHICH
18 THE LARGE-CAPACITY MAGAZINE WAS MANUFACTURED OR ASSEMBLED.
19 THE SERIAL NUMBER AND DATE MUST BE LEGIBLY AND CONSPICUOUSLY
20 ENGRAVED OR CAST UPON THE OUTER SURFACE OF THE LARGE-CAPACITY
21 MAGAZINE.
22

I only see manufactured in colorado. not brought in with interstate commerce.

[crashdown]

HB 13-1224

18-12-303 (tel:18-12-303). Identification markings for large-capacity
15 magazines - rules. (1) A LARGE-CAPACITY MAGAZINE THAT IS
16 MANUFACTURED IN COLORADO ON OR AFTER THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS
17 SECTION MUST INCLUDE A SERIAL NUMBER AND THE DATE UPON WHICH
18 THE LARGE-CAPACITY MAGAZINE WAS MANUFACTURED OR ASSEMBLED.
19 THE SERIAL NUMBER AND DATE MUST BE LEGIBLY AND CONSPICUOUSLY
20 ENGRAVED OR CAST UPON THE OUTER SURFACE OF THE LARGE-CAPACITY
21 MAGAZINE.
22

Not all mags are made in colorado

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

They can't even discuss what they are trying to legislate, because they are truly ignorant of the subject entirely.

[KestrelBike]

HB 13-1224

18-12-303. Identification markings for large-capacity
15 magazines - rules. (1) A LARGE-CAPACITY MAGAZINE THAT IS
16 MANUFACTURED IN COLORADO ON OR AFTER THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THIS
17 SECTION MUST INCLUDE A SERIAL NUMBER AND THE DATE UPON WHICH
18 THE LARGE-CAPACITY MAGAZINE WAS MANUFACTURED OR ASSEMBLED.
19 THE SERIAL NUMBER AND DATE MUST BE LEGIBLY AND CONSPICUOUSLY
20 ENGRAVED OR CAST UPON THE OUTER SURFACE OF THE LARGE-CAPACITY
21 MAGAZINE.
22

I hope Magpul pulls out with a big F YOU to these jackbooted pricks.

[sellersm]

recess.. cowards.

[Katastrophic]

My new FB status:
If any of you care - Colorado Judiciary Committee is in the process of fucking all of us as we speak. Its painful to watch liberty die like this -- in a series of bureaucratic doublespeak and 3 card monte wordsmithing.


For those of you that voted for these people - FUCK YOU. I don't want you as friends. You fail the basic test - you don't want liberty you want to be subjects. Wear your chains comfortably.


I'm printing that out and framing it on my wall.


I second that!

[lowbeyond]

L007 Strikes: (I) A FEEDING DEVICE THAT HAS BEEN PERMANENTLY ALTERED SO
1 THAT IT CANNOT ACCOMMODATE MORE THAN TEN ROUNDS OF
2 AMMUNITION;

so no more perm blocked mag bodies

[jhirsh5280]

I feel like these people should take a Firearms 101 course before being allowed to vote on our future.

+1

[T.rexford]

Welcome to America.. we have the power to impose our legislation on you even when we don't know what the fuck we are talking about.

[sniper7]

so colorado can force all states to date stamp their mags in case they are brought into the state?


no they can not.

[clublights]

LOL going to recess since they have no fucking clue what they are doing

[John123]

FIGHT this stupid shit all night!!!

[cjmore]

WOW Recessed out cause half of them have no idea what the Fawk is going on....

[sellersm]

My new FB status:
If any of you care - Colorado Judiciary Committee is in the process of fucking all of us as we speak. Its painful to watch liberty die like this -- in a series of bureaucratic doublespeak and 3 card monte wordsmithing.

For those of you that voted for these people - FUCK YOU. I don't want you as friends. You fail the basic test - you don't want liberty you want to be subjects. Wear your chains comfortably.



Way to go!!

[asmo]

For any of you that are following along in the home game:

"This committee will stand in recess"
"Do you see what is going on...."
"...yes I do."

[Teufelhund]

The self-identified democrat that spoke earlier as an opponent to this bill put forth the most relevant point in citing DC v. Heller: SCOTUS has already upheld the Second Amendment protects that which is in common use by the militia (and implicitly the military). 30-round magazines are standard capacity, and in common use. If this goes through, we need a challenge as to its constitutionality.

[HoneyBadger]

This is sickening. I have to go defend freedom at 0530 tomorrow morning, so I'm going to bed. Screw these fools.

[muddywings]

ahhh f-it. where's my ambien....i know what the vote will be.

[John123]

back

[jhood001]

Did anyone else catch the sponsor ask her language crafter 'do you have any idea what is going on' when they broke for recess?

He replied with dismay: 'I do'.

The fact that she doesn't know means that she should give up, head home, and start only working on legislation she understands.

[KestrelBike]

We should be facebook friends.


L007 Strikes: (I) A FEEDING DEVICE THAT HAS BEEN PERMANENTLY ALTERED SO
1 THAT IT CANNOT ACCOMMODATE MORE THAN TEN ROUNDS OF
2 AMMUNITION;

so no more perm blocked mag bodies

and you know the prick that came up with that thinks they're so f'ing clever.

edit: argh meant to +1 honeybadger's thread.

[sellersm]

My head can't take anymore...

[John123]

Your tripping on your dick. Put it back in your pants!

[jhood001]

For any of you that are following along in the home game:

"This committee will stand in recess"
"Do you see what is going on...."
"...yes I do."


Ah, is that what she said? I thought I heard 'do you know what is going on'.

[newracer]

I think he had to take a piss.

[KestrelBike]

We should be facebook friends.


The self-identified democrat that spoke earlier as an opponent to this bill put forth the most relevant point in citing DC v. Heller: SCOTUS has already upheld the Second Amendment protects that which is in common use by the militia (and implicitly the military). 30-round magazines are standard capacity, and in common use. If this goes through, we need a challenge as to its constitutionality.

Good thinking!! This is the information and mentality we need going forward.

back to the feed, dipshit lost his train of thoughtlessness

[John123]

Dont delay? Please delay on taking my rights!!!

[.455_Hunter]

OK guys. I guess these committees are a loaded deck. Time to focus energy on the general assembly. I know the Fort Garland rep has already stated that gun control is bunk. Just find one more

Actually the balance of power is 37 D and 28 R. Need to find a lot more D's. Find those rural D's and push hard.

[Sharpienads]

Not all mags are made in colorado


I only see manufactured in colorado. not brought in with interstate commerce.

You're right, I must have missed the question.

The bill doesn't say anything about going to another state and buying them, but does mention "transfer" after the effective date of this bill.

[johngraves2]

If he didn't say "um" every other word this process would have been done 6 hours ago.

[sniper7]

L007 is withdrawn.

[th3w01f]

"I think that will achieve what I'm trying to achieve.." but who the fuck knows. Should we put this to a vote?

[Great-Kazoo]

L007 Strikes: (I) A FEEDING DEVICE THAT HAS BEEN PERMANENTLY ALTERED SO
1 THAT IT CANNOT ACCOMMODATE MORE THAN TEN ROUNDS OF
2 AMMUNITION;

so no more perm blocked mag bodies

Only if you feel obligated to compLIEdown

[Jmetz]

Make it stop!

[johngraves2]

So is posession going to be illegal, or will everything be grandfathered in? Everything meaning magazines greater than 15, tube shotguns greater than 8, ect.

[KestrelBike]

really hope that DSG Arms christmas $10-pmag order ships ASAP

[sniper7]

The self-identified democrat that spoke earlier as an opponent to this bill put forth the most relevant point in citing DC v. Heller: SCOTUS has already upheld the Second Amendment protects that which is in common use by the militia (and implicitly the military). 30-round magazines are standard capacity, and in common use. If this goes through, we need a challenge as to its constitutionality.


yep. take it down.

then vote these people out or have them recalled.

then get the majority that will reverse these bogus laws.

[jhirsh5280]

I feel like the speaker should be calling out bingo numbers right now

[th3w01f]

Before this I had no idea that conceptual amendments existed let alone nested conceptual amendments. [fail]

[sniper7]

So is posession going to be illegal, or will everything be grandfathered in? Everything meaning magazines greater than 15, tube shotguns greater than 8, ect.


this is for future magazines.

[John123]

Hey my aide is telling me what to do. Maybe the Aide should be in his place!

[Katastrophic]

[blah-blah]I thought line 3 was voted down 15 minutes ago! This is awful!

[John123]

gardner just voted yes??

[sniper7]

amendment passes 8-3 for 15 rounds and 8 rounds.

[Sharpienads]

Sweet 6 pound 8 ounce baby Jesus, I am so lost right now.

[crashdown]

So Magpul moves out of state, stops putting born on dates on the mags, and they got brought into Colorado in somebody's car trunk....

[DeusExMachina]

I would like to know Gardner's logic for voting Yes.

[sniper7]

gardner just voted yes??


yeah, if not it goes back to 10 rounds. if we are going to get fucked, it might as well be a little less.

[motohooligan]

I'd like a conceptual amendment to burn this pile of shit bill.

[lowbeyond]

amendments done.

final vote.

also note no amendments offered to clarify manufacturing as defined under the bill to accommodate magpul, that even kagan said he had issues with.

so that was all just a pile of lies by the cockuckers in the committee as well.

big shocker


stupid cunt is talking now

[sniper7]

So Magpul moves out of state, stops putting born on dates on the mags, and they got brought into Colorado in somebody's car trunk....


makes me think of fireworks from wyoming. they are illegal but still happen to make it in.

[Sharpienads]

yeah, if not it goes back to 10 rounds. if we are going to get fucked, it might as well be a little less.

I guess.

[Great-Kazoo]

So Magpul moves out of state, stops putting born on dates on the mags, and they got brought into Colorado in somebody's car trunk....

Sounds dangerous. UNLESS you stuff them in bales of weed.

[vossman]

Bend over, here it comes.

[10mm-man]

Ready to PUKE? Here we go!

[sniper7]

shut the hell up fields. you are ignorant and emotional.

[roberth]

I think they'll have to grandfather everything that is currently owned. They don't have the manpower to do a confiscation.

If you belong to a gun club you might want to check to see if your gun club will allow LEO on site to inspect magazines.

[Jmetz]

really hope that DSG Arms christmas $10-pmag order ships ASAP

I hope this bill magically disappears in the next 30 sec. I think both of our hopes have the same chance.

[cjmore]

This is very disappointing to watch and frankly I have lost a tremendous amount of faith in our political leadership in Colorado

[Rucker61]

21425

[sniper7]

Sounds dangerous. UNLESS you stuff them in bales of weed.


double profit!

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

amminition says fields

[jhirsh5280]

shut the hell up fields. you are ignorant and emotional.

+1

[motohooligan]

8 rounds of 00buck is 72 .32 cal "bullets" right?

[th3w01f]

Dammit, I just spilled all my lube last week.

I know it's not a joking matter but at this point there isn't anything we can do about this vote.

[John123]

This is very disappointing to watch and frankly I have lost a tremendous amount of faith in our political leadership in Colorado


I lost it long ago. These people work to further themselves not the people.

[motohooligan]

So by that logic I can have my 30 round mags

[ShipDate]

Can someone please tell me what the fuck a magazine clip is????? Please???

[Rucker61]

What they have in common is "gun free zones". When can we fix that?

[KestrelBike]

I feel like the speaker should be calling out bingo numbers right now

http://i47.tinypic.com/2vsnme1.jpg

[Sharpienads]

Can someone please tell me what the fuck a magazine clip is????? Please???

Yeah no shit.

Here it comes...

[motohooligan]

high capacity magazine clips high capacity magazine clips high capacity magazine clips high capacity magazine clips high capacity magazine clips FUCK HER!

[Jmetz]

We're safe! She's talking about high capacity magazine clips.

[brutal]

Let's not forget we have a 2nd Amendment bitch.

What all those event had in common is that they were all gun free zones.

How long have they been CYA with this "high capacity magazone clip" shit?

[cfortune]

makes me think of fireworks from wyoming. they are illegal but still happen to make it in.


I'm going to open a magazine store right next to the fireworks stands at the border.

[Katastrophic]

Sweet 6 pound 8 ounce baby Jesus, I am so lost right now.


LAWYERS! Do we have any lawyers on the premesis?! Call the authorities! [panic]

[Great-Kazoo]

double profit!

IRS ill-gotten gains. Either way some agency is getting a piece of you. Now if i was running illegals (OOPS) Reduced tuition across the state line, i'd be GTG. Yeah, yeah, that's it, Voter registration van pool, that's it, yeah.

[clublights]

I'm going to open a magazine store right next to the fireworks stands at the border.



I'm down

[Great-Kazoo]

Can someone please tell me what the fuck a magazine clip is????? Please???

Hold's your page in place?

[Ridge]

They're on to you!

[Sharpienads]

Gardner is telling them how stupid they all are right now.

[brutal]

Go Gardner go!

[Snowman78]

on deft ears

[roberth]

A magazine clip is something a democrat puts in their hair, kinda like a money shot.

[crashdown]

Lost audio, and now my computer is installing updates... FUCK

[.455_Hunter]

Gardner is asking the hard questions. Thanks.

[Rucker61]

I'm going to open a magazine store right next to the fireworks stands at the border.

http://www.ar-15.co/threads/88287-Live-video-from-the-capitol?p=934791&viewfull=1#post934791

[motohooligan]

If only they would listen to Gardner

[KestrelBike]

on deaf ears

yup, they really don't care one damn bit.

[Teufelhund]

Gardner is telling them how stupid they all are right now.

They don't care. Ever tried to tell an idiot how stupid he is? It doesn't work.

[John123]

Cant we just have someone not stop talking? Let them read the tax code!

[cfortune]

http://www.ar-15.co/threads/88287-Live-video-from-the-capitol?p=934791&viewfull=1#post934791


Damn, +1 to you. Even included a graphic.

[roberth]

I don't want them reading the tax code, they might find something new to tax us on that they missed before.

[jhirsh5280]

Good point!

[KestrelBike]

Praise Murray. Bunch of fucking idiots don't even care.

[motohooligan]

I hope Magpul tell CO to FUCK OFF.

[brutal]

Here's my Dem impression; lalalalalalala, puppies and kittens. What did you say?

[Dingo]

I fully intend to comply with any of these purported laws just as much as I currently do with the other ones designed to restrict a personal freedom provided for by our founding fathers.

[hghclsswhitetrsh]

Democrats just wanna go home.

[roberth]

This blows. These fucks, who put these motherfuckers in office?

[sniper7]

I'm going to open a magazine store right next to the fireworks stands at the border.


I'll have one across the street!

[Teufelhund]

Four voices of reason, making a multitude of valid reasons not to pass this shit, and it will still pass along party lines.

[John123]

If they pass this Magpul will leave, before the Constitutionality of it will be figure out.

[lowbeyond]

I see 7 traitors

[sniper7]

vote: 7-4. fuck you dems.

[Snowman78]

FUCK

[Sharpienads]

7-4 BIG FUCKING SURPRISE

[brutal]

There you go, another nail in Lady Liberty's coffin.

[roberth]

I'll have one across the street!

In my best John Belushi voice - Let's do it!!

[jhirsh5280]

Four voices of reason, making a multitude of valid reasons not to pass this shit, and it will still pass along party lines.

+1

[Jmetz]

7-4 on everything..

[bryjcom]

And its done

[Ridge]

I vote to overturn based on the fact that the chair cannot count. It was 6 to 5, not 7 to 4.

[motohooligan]

7-4 Imagine that shit.

[buckeye4rnr]

I feel as helpless right now as I did when those fucks in the Supreme Court ruled that Obama care was a tax and was legal.

I also thought I moved to Colorado not California.

[asmo]

If this actually passes I think I am going to self-volunteer to be the test case..

[Sharpienads]

I vote to overturn based on the fact that the chair cannot count. It was 6 to 5, not 7 to 4.

I counted 7-4

[Katastrophic]

This blows. These fucks, who put these motherfuckers in office?


"They" did. [tinhat] it's the only answer I can come up with that makes sense.

[mb504]

Damn, I think I need more envelopes and stamps!

[bryjcom]

I vote to overturn based on the fact that the chair cannot count. It was 6 to 5, not 7 to 4.

I didn't hear that. Right as they got to the second vote my audio dropped out and had to reload.

[Ridge]

I counted 7-4

Shhh

[DHC]

I vote to overturn based on the fact that the chair cannot count. It was 6 to 5, not 7 to 4.

No. It was straight down party lines, as expected, 7 Dems to 4 Republicans.

[KestrelBike]

so wait, is the limit now 10 or 15?

[Sharpienads]

Shhh
I meant 7 opposed, 4 in favor.

[asmo]

They even got out 45 minutes before they thought..

[Danimal]

Well it looks like me and magpul are hitting the road here soon. Fuck this state, I am out.

[Ridge]

I didn't hear that. Right as they got to the second vote my audio dropped out and had to reload.

I recorded the votes as they went through. I was wrong, it was 7-4.

[BPTactical]

Bert asked to be recognized

That was infact me guys.
I am pretty pissed and dismayed with our political process right now, take a day off of work and shut down the shop this afternoon and spend 12 hours patiently waiting to voice an intelligent retort.
Politely ask to be recognized only to be told "No".
Not that it would do any good.

Here is what I was going to throw on the table:


Ladies andGentlemen of the Judiciary Committee, good morning and thank you for the opportunityto address you.[
I would liketo introduce myself, my name is Robert XXXXXXXXX and I am a native to the state ofColorado, and a professional in the firearmsindustry (gunsmith). I feel I am qualified to speak on the subject of firearmswith fact based knowledge and authority, which unfortunately many of ourelected representatives cannot do. Instead they focus on mis-information, mediaspin and outright falsehoods.
Before I getto the body of the subject matter, I would like to pose a simple and logicalquestion to you. I would like an honest answer, but I do ask you refrain fromanswering until I have concluded my statement to you today.
The questionis: “How can you hope to change human behavior by regulating an inanimate,mechanical object”?
We are allshocked and horrified when we hear of heinous atrocities committed bymaladjusted and sick individuals. We all want answers and a stop to themeaningless loss of life we see.
To those ofyou that have suffered a loss due to these atrocities, you have my sincerestemotional empathy and condolences for your loss. I as well have had to feel the pain and sufferthe loss of a loved one due to unnecessary violence. However I do not share cognitive empathy withthose that feel a firearm is to blame for their loss.
To the Sarah Brady’s, Tom Mausers and Representative RhondaFields of our society you need to face the reality that a firearm did not takethe lives of those you hold so dearly, rather their lives were taken by themost viscous of animals to walk this earth, a human being. If one chooses to take the stance that a firearm kills, thenwe must apply that logic however flawed to other aspects of our society.For example, and these statistics come directly from theAmerican Medical Association and they are recent statistics: On an annual basisthere are on average 106,000 fatal adverse medication events. But do we hear anoutcry to ban the medications? There are on average 4000 fatal surgical eventsannually. But again, do we hear irrational tirades and pleas to ban thescalpel?It is an illogical and emotion based stance to blame afirearm for a humans actions, some may even say it is an ignorant stance.To truly promote public safety we need to ask the onequestion I have yet to hear asked by any elected official and any lawenforcement official.And the reason we don’t hear it is because it is the reallytough question to ask: Why do these individuals feel that these horrific actsare the only way to leave their mark in society?We find theanswer to that and we can begin to take meaningful steps to reduce the senselessloss of life at the hands of aberrations of society.
We have lostour moral compass within our society.
We have seenof late the actions of the anti firearm factions and they are chomping at thebit and foaming at the mouth at any opportunity to introduce emotion based andknee jerk reactionary proposals.
(HOLD UPPIC)
I am holdingup a print of the perpetrators of Aurora, Sandy Hook and Tucson.
You mean totell me that we are going to base our public policies and Rights on the actionsof a handful of mentally ill individuals? If so then we have the wrong people representing us.
Immediatelyafter the Aurora incident the Honorable Governor of our state, JohnHickenlooper amazed me with a logical and well grounded statement: “ I don’tfeel any amount of laws would have prevented this individual from doing what hedid” Those were the words of a true leader, thank you Mr. Governor.
And yet someof the first words from the author of HB 1224 after this same atrocity were “Weneed a ban, I am not sure what yet, but we need a ban”. Reckless andirresponsible statements from an elected representative to say the least.
We areseeing proposals driven by emotion rather than facts. While we are on thesubject of facts let’s look at a few.
1994 to20004 was the period of time where the “Clinton” AW and LCFD ban was in place.After the sunset of this ban in September of 2004 there were numerous inquiriesand hearings held with just about any and all governmental entities and lawenforcement organizations. The results of these hearings? Very few banned itemswere even involved in criminal activities. There was no credible evidence of areduction in firearm related crimes. Therefore the ban was not re-instated.
Bans do notwork.
If they wereeffective then Columbine would not have occurred nor would Virginia Tech haveoccurred. Both incidents occurred during the era of the Clinton AW and LCFDban. A ban would not have changed the outcome of Aurora either, as the majorityof loss of life was attributed to a pump action shotgun.
Bans do notwork. Criminals and mentally ill individuals do not care about bans, backgroundchecks or liability concerns.
Theproposals we have seen introduced will do nothing to deter deranged individualsand those with criminal intent from perpetrating their acts. What they will dois infringe further on the God given rights of law abiding citizens that have committedno crime or criminal act. We have over 30,000 laws and regulations pertainingto firearms on the books at a Federal and State level. How about we direct ourefforts at enforcing the laws we have instead of burdening the law abidingcitizen further?
In closing Iwould like to quote a notable, American educated military leader whom uponlearning the declaration of war upon the United States was delivered an hourafter the attack on Pearl Harbor Isoruku Yamamoto said: “I fear all we havedone is awaken a sleeping giant and filled him with a terrible resolve”
Thesupporters of our God given rights are awake, be it the 1st, 2cnd orany other rights.
And we areresolved to keep and protect our rights.
I implore thiscommittee to effectively kill any and all proposals that would do nothing topromote public safety and will only serve to infringe and restrict the freedomsof law abiding citizens.
This wouldinclude HB’s 1224, 1228 and 1229.
And back tothe question I asked earlier, does anybody have an answer?
I didn’t think so
Thank You


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[roberth]

so wait, is the limit now 10 or 15?

Does it really matter?

[Sharpienads]

so wait, is the limit now 10 or 15?

Well there is no limit yet. Still has to pass the general assembly

[John123]

so wait, is the limit now 10 or 15?
unlimited, until/if they pass the bill. 15 rounds July 1 if it passes

[Snowman78]

so wait, is the limit now 10 or 15?
15

[roberth]

Thank you Bert!

[cjmore]

Well we obviously need to get the word out to more people before the house votes on this - And Magpul should offer all Colorado residents deep discounts on mags before it's too late!

[KestrelBike]

Well it looks like me and magpul are hitting the road here soon. Fuck this state, I am out.

I said the same thing last May when I moved here from California. This bullshit has got to be stopped somewhere.

[Sharpienads]

That was infact me guys.
I am pretty pissed and dismayed with our political process right now, take a day off of work and shut down the shop this afternoon and spend 12 hours patiently waiting to voice an intelligent retort.
Politely ask to be recognized only to be told "No".
Not that it would do any good.

Here is what I was going to throw on the table: [FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=#000000]

Oh well, I guess I can dream................

I got to "good morning" and started laughing

[brutal]

Trying to think of where I can go that the weather doesn't suck and I have 30-45 minute travel to a major airport hub.

[Diesel24]

WTF this is bullshit! Fuck this I'll be moving when I'm finished with school and was hoping to stay in Colorado, not anymore.

[Rucker61]

I got to "good morning" and started laughing

Now you have me laughing.

[roberth]

Hey now, laws can be undone.

[mb504]

Trying to think of where I can go that the weather doesn't suck and I have 30-45 minute travel to a major airport hub.

Houston?
Salt Lake?

[lowbeyond]

I said the same thing last May when I moved here from California. This bullshit has got to be stopped somewhere.

Utah.

it wont be CO, that is for sure.

[Rucker61]

Trying to think of where I can go that the weather doesn't suck and I have 30-45 minute travel to a major airport hub.

Singapore, but they aren't real big on gun rights.

[Danimal]

I think that we should separate Colorado into two separate stats. Western Colorado, and one that is shaped like a dick that encompasses the greater Denver area. Then we can all move to the rational Colorado and start acting like Wyoming.

[th3w01f]

Trying to think of where I can go that the weather doesn't suck and I have 30-45 minute travel to a major airport hub.

Let me know if you find it.

[motohooligan]

Anyone have 7 bloody horse heads? I've got some interior decorating ideas...

[crashdown]

Well we obviously need to get the word out to more people before the house votes on this - And Magpul should offer all Colorado residents deep discounts on mags before it's too late!

AMEN

[roberth]

I think that we should separate Colorado into two separate stats. Western Colorado, and one that is shaped like a dick that encompasses the greater Denver area. Then we can all move to the rational Colorado and start acting like Wyoming.

Good idea, we can do the same thing to the country. I'd like to see the left coasts get along without the middle.

[MED]

I left at 7:45 to get home to the dogs so I didn't get to say what I wanted to say. This sucks! However, we have a much better chance in the Senate. They have a much smaller majority there. I got some inside information that this is suppose to go be passed out by Friday and go on to the Senate next week.

[motohooligan]

If a law is passed and later declared unconstitutional, can we charge the drafters with treason?

[KestrelBike]

That was infact me guys.
I am pretty pissed and dismayed with our political process right now, take a day off of work and shut down the shop this afternoon and spend 12 hours patiently waiting to voice an intelligent retort.
Politely ask to be recognized only to be told "No".
Not that it would do any good.

Here is what I was going to throw on the table:

[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=#000000]

Oh well, I guess I can dream................Sorry for the formatting, it copied weird

Thank you, Bert.

[asmo]

Oh well, I guess I can dream................Sorry for the formatting, it copied weird

That would have been a great statement.. Save it for the next round of hearings.

[asmo]

If a law is passed and later declared unconstitutional, can we charge the drafters with treason?

God don't I wish.

[Fmedges]

If a law is passed and later declared unconstitutional, can we charge the drafters with treason?

Knowingly unconstitoutional

[vossman]

Yes Bert. Would have been nice to hear you read that.

Would not have made a shit of difference but...

[crashdown]

Who here has an in with Magpul?
I like the idea that they give us one hell of a parting gift on their way out.
10 dollar mags for all forum members ASAP

[newracer]

Not that I am shocked but the committee chair specifically stated he would vote no unless an amendment was made to allow manufactures to continue in CO, he voted yes.

[brutal]

Houston?
Salt Lake?

HOU Too freakin hot/humid
SLC Impossible as a hub

Denver/Colorado was perfect, not so much now if this shit goes any further.

[th3w01f]

Singapore, but they aren't real big on gun rights.

Now that's a crappy flight I promised myself I'd never take again. Now I'm going in 3 weeks.

[Teufelhund]

Thank you for being there, Bert. Your statement was well thought-out, convincing, and irrefutable. I'm sorry you didn't get a chance to speak. If it makes you feel better, this proceeding was a circus, and the vote a foregone conclusion. There is nothing you nor anyone else could have said that would have made the vote come out different.

[Danimal]

Who here has an in with Magpul?
I like the idea that they give us one hell of a parting gift on their way out.
10 dollar mags for all forum members ASAP


I considered that, but I think that I would rather just move where they decide to move. Texas or Wyoming maybe? I am betting on Texas.

[Great-Kazoo]

Who here has an in with Magpul?
I like the idea that they give us one hell of a parting gift on their way out.
10 dollar mags for all forum members ASAP

Why is, or does, everyone (ok some) feel magpul needs or should give anyone a discount? MMMMMMMMM entitlements

[loveski]

Thank you for being there, Bert. Your statement was well thought-out, convincing, and irrefutable. I'm sorry you didn't get a chance to speak. If it makes you feel better, this proceeding was a circus, and the vote a foregone conclusion. There is nothing you nor anyone else could have said that would have made the vote come out different.

+1, Thanks Bert

[brutal]

That was infact me guys.
I am pretty pissed and dismayed with our political process right now, take a day off of work and shut down the shop this afternoon and spend 12 hours patiently waiting to voice an intelligent retort.
Politely ask to be recognized only to be told "No".
Not that it would do any good.

Here is what I was going to throw on the table:

[FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=#000000]

Oh well, I guess I can dream................Sorry for the formatting, it copied weird

As hard as it was to read due to the formatting, I powered through it. Great stuff Bert!

[asmo]

HOU Too freakin hot/humid
SLC Impossible as a hub

Denver/Colorado was perfect, not so much now if this shit goes any further.

Thinking DFW or MCO.

AUS would work but flights are shit.

[clublights]

Not that I am shocked but the committee chair specifically stated he would vote no unless an amendment was made to allow manufactures to continue in CO, he voted yes.
I think they decided that the date thing was good enough....


or they just got tired and wanted to go home .. fuck everyone else.