Links To Listen/Watch Colorado Legislative Hearings Online Thread

[kidicarus13]

http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/clics2012a/cslFrontPages.nsf/Audio?OpenForm

[JVC]

Watch the Colorado Assembly Online LIVE!

This link will allow you to watch the Colorado General Assembly online live, when in session: http://www.coloradochannel.net/live-broadcast

[KAPA]

http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_22572461/major-battle-over-gun-bills-set-tuesday-at

Rhonda Fields and Beth McCann basically are holding the Bill of Rights over a paper shredder at the moment.

http://www.facebook.com/Rep.BethMcCann
http://www.facebook.com/representativerhonda.fields

[Teufelhund]

Rep. Gardner is taking it to them! Good show, sir!

[Birddog1911]

Damn the DOD for blocking streaming video!

[blacklabel]

Yeah, he is. He destroyed the points the gentleman from the ATF was attempting to make.

[KAPA]

Yes! Too bad we do not have more like him... People got duped into voting for Dems over the last 10 years and I am afraid it will bite us all in the ass. Kind of pissed at the Republican party in general for letting this happen.

[KAPA]

Hey Tom Mauser, when people fly in biz jets and general aviation, they are not bent over by the TSA. Wrap it up!

[Teufelhund]

Typical of the dems to parade out a father of a victim at Columbine to try to tug at some heartstrings and simultaneously spit out some unfounded bs based in emotion and disproved by facts and logic.

[jhood001]

If I hear the myth that people can go and buy a gun from the internet without a background check again, I'm going to scream.

[jhood001]

I just screamed.

[Great-Kazoo]

MAP is on the list to go before the committee.

[hollohas]

Did this cop just say that anyone can buy a gun at a gun show in COLORADO without a BC?

[cjmore]

John Jackson just got handed a great question how does this prevent bad guys from getting guns

NICE JOB REP LAWERANCE

[.455_Hunter]

I am glad the opposition gets to go last. Should be fun!

[hollohas]

John Jackson is not very smart. That's the nicest way I can say it...

[cjmore]

Opposition does go last?
Cause I was going to say the last 3 is all for or pro more gun laws


I am glad the opposition gets to go last. Should be fun!

[Teufelhund]

. . . and again we're told the vast majority of gun-owners and NRA members support universal background checks by some gun-grabber shill. I'm a member of both of those groups, and I don't think anyone asked me about it. How about you guys?

[blacklabel]

Holy shit! They're just making shit up at this point.

62% of private sales include a buyer that doesn't think they're legal to purchase?!

[.455_Hunter]

Opposition does go last?
Cause I was going to say the last 3 is all for or pro more gun laws

Opposition has not gone yet...

[hollohas]

Holy shit! They're just making shit up at this point.

62% of private sales include a buyer that doesn't think they're legal to purchase?!

Exactly. I guess every person that knowingly breaks the law by buying a gun they're not legal to own fills out a survey admitting that.

[cjmore]

I thought HB 1224 was Tuesday and HB 1228 and 1229 were Wednesday?

[Teufelhund]

I missed what he said the recess was for. Is there more testimony to come afterward?

They're back on. Looks like there is more testimony to be heard.

[DHC]

"Hunters Against Gun Violence" testimony by McIlaney (unsure of spelling). Supported the BG check bills.

Only commissioned a few weeks ago. Clearly intended to create a schism within gun owners.

[.455_Hunter]

I guess supporters still have some time left.

[DHC]

Grayson Robinson has withdrawn from testifying.

[hollohas]

Yeah. Many of these folks in favor of the bill have made a point to say that they are representing the citizens of Colorado...but that the folks who will speak later who are against the legislation are from the evil gun lobby.

However, each of these people speaking in support of gun control legislation is from some sort of coalition...which are apparently NOT a lobby groups.

The hypocrisy is insane.

[liberty19]

Fear and hate, fear and hate.......[Bang]. I hope our side is given time to speak and not cut short due to "time constraints" by the Speaker.

[hollohas]

I hope our side is given time to speak and not cut short due to "time constraints" by the Speaker.

Yes, I expect that is what will happen.

[DHC]

Saxton [sp] member of Pheasants Forever. Supporter of mag limits. Got teary-eyed over Sandy Hook.

More evidence of a schism between gun owners - casting hunters on one side and non-hunters on the other.

[ghettodub]

Ugh, I can't watch anymore. These idiots are getting me too angry at work...

[blacklabel]

Ms. Hope has a victim's mindset and has no chance of protecting her children in the event she had to.

[newracer]

They just said each side would get 2 hours.

[hollohas]

Ms. Hope has a victim's mindset and has no chance of protecting her children in the event she had to.

Yeah, when she said "I can't do anything to protect them..." I thought, yes you can. Learn to shoot and teach them to shoot. That is a sure fire way to help protect your children now and all their lives.

[vossman]

Where are u seeing this. I can't see nothing on the house website.

[.455_Hunter]

Interesting blog run by DP. Kinda anti, but at least tells you what is going on if you cant get live video or audio.

http://live.denverpost.com/Event/Colorado_gun_bills_Hearing_on_universal_background _checks_magazine_capacity_in_state_Legislature

[vossman]

I can't see that either. Dang nabbit.

[Punkface]

Can anybody please record Burt and Magpul's testimony? I have to go to work soon and would love to see it.

Huh, apparently MLK wanted to get a CCW?

[sellersm]

What a sign of the times: "Oh, help me, big .gubment, help me! I'm a poor victim and can't do anything to protect myself or my family!" We're doomed...

[mb504]

Huh, apparently MLK wanted to get a CCW?

Yes, but was denied due to the may issue policy of the state. The Sheriff didn't think he was of good moral character. pretty much all gun control in the US has a basis in racism.

Slaves and earlier: http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/cramer.racism.html
Open carry ban in CA: http://kennblanchard.com/california

On a more thread related note:
I really wish they would have intermixed the opponents and proponents, during this testimony.

[Gman]

...and the opponents now get to speak. Only 2 minutes per?

What is this Twitter testimony?

[sellersm]

Yes, but was denied due to the may issue policy of the state. The Sheriff didn't think he was of good moral character. pretty much all gun control in the US has a basis in controlling the people.

FIFY.

[.455_Hunter]

Interesting- in the DP blog, the NRA guy is a "lobbyist", while the people representing MMM, MAIG, etc. are "from" that organization.

[buckeye4rnr]

I feel like I should be a lobbyist, I'm pretty sure I could insert some facts and relate able stories into my arguments to make the point hit home a little better than this guy.

[Teufelhund]

OK I just have to ask. . . why is there a brit in charge of the State Legislature?

[Gman]

LOL. I thought I was watching the wrong stream with the accent.

Is the chairman living in fantasy land?

How are all of these BS numbers allowed to be repeated over and over as fact?

[cjmore]

Dudley Brown at 2:02pm

[hollohas]

Dudley had good point. We don't have to get background checks to exercise our 1st Amendment rights, so why should we have to get a check to exercise our 2nd?

[n8tive97]

This Hungarian guy brings massive amounts of common sense to the table!

[hollohas]

This Hungarian guy brings massive amounts of common sense to the table!

Yes, a very smart guy. I loved that he pointed out the "incremental" thing...

[Snowman78]

This Hungarian guy brings massive amounts of common sense to the table!

+1 very well spoken

[blacklabel]

Shit, this isn't what we need or how it needs to be said.

[Snowman78]

Right, the old guy is not doing so well....

[blacklabel]

Right, the old guy is not doing so well....

Not at all.

[Gman]

I hear you...but I can take the man's age into consideration. I'm thankful for his service.

[Snowman78]

Rodger, I also thank him for his service!

[newracer]

Hungarian guy kicked ass!!!

[blacklabel]

Rodger, I also thank him for his service!

I couldn't agree more.

[newracer]

I like this guy, bringing up lots of good points that have yet to be discussed.

[hollohas]

I could be wrong, but I thought during the proponent section each speaker's name was shown on the live video. Not so during the opponent section...

So much for the proponent theory that all the opponents will be lobbyists. So far I counted only two lobbyists...the rest are simply civilians representing themselves. But you wouldn't know that by reading the text on the screen.

[mb504]

It's funny how the chairperson seems to take time to correct any misstatements by the opponent witness, but didn't do anything like that will the proponents of the bill. Makes it pretty clear where the chairperson stands.

[Rooskibar03]

Some of this is painful. I applaud you getting in front of people but if you are not one who has been gifted with the ability to speak it front of a crowd do us a favor and stand aside.

[Gman]

Is it the Denver Post's website that keeps refreshing the page and breaks the stream? What a PITA.

[mb504]

Why would you wear a t-shirt to give testimony?

[Gman]

It's funny how the chairperson seems to take time to correct any misstatements by the opponent witness, but didn't do anything like that will the proponents of the bill. Makes it pretty clear where the chairperson stands.
Count on it. The majority party appoints the committee chairs.

[cjmore]

Many of these folks have never heard of dress for success or verify / clarify their facts. On both sides folks just spout BS.

[jhirsh5280]

I dont know the rhetoric of a committee meeting but wouldnt be better to let the average citizen speak first considering they may or may not have any speaking skills then let the lobbyist or general representative speak after to leave a better impression on the committee?


EDIT: Anyone else think the chairman sounds like the "Jew Hunter" from Inglorious Bastards?

[Gman]

Stammering white guys. I know I'd probably be one as well, but this is hard to watch.

[Inconel710]

Sounds like the Colorado legislature took notes from the Maryland legislature debate last week.

[mb504]

there we go again... people who didn't really understand the bill are trying to speak against it.

[Ridge]

And here are the conspiracy theories.

[Gman]

YES!!!! Psychotropic drugs! Somebody is finally addressing them.

...and not one question. [facepalm]

[Rooskibar03]

EDIT: Anyone else think the chairman sounds like the "Jew Hunter" from Inglorious Bastards?


Totally. Been racking my brain trying to place the voice.

[yjsaindon]

Anyone else confused? Help me out with what Winchester is saying.

[Gman]

Bravo! CBI is violating the law. Why should gun owners trust the government with background checks?

Demand is up...but NICS has not been overburdened by the nationwide rush of purchases.

[jhirsh5280]

"one can speculate as to why there has been a massive rush of activity to buy firearms".... No speculating necessary its because fear of gun grabbers in legislation! People didnt just all the sudden decide the last 4 months guns were at their cheapest they've ever been so its a good time to buy!

[n8tive97]

YES!!!! Psychotropic drugs! Somebody is finally addressing them.

...and not one question. [facepalm]

BINGO!!!!

[Snowman78]

I like this guys name Winchester :)

[jhirsh5280]

Not sure who she is but the black lady at the table looks pissed and uncomfortable

[Batteriesnare]

Black lady is the one putting forward all the bills.

[n8tive97]

These people sitting high on a thrown, looking down on the citizens with the columns in the back ground is very symbolic of people imposing this BS on us!

[Teufelhund]

Not sure who she is but the black lady at the table looks pissed and uncomfortable

Rep. Rhonda Fields

[jhirsh5280]

Mr. Winchester is obviously a lawyer since he's turned his 2 minutes into about 15.

[jhirsh5280]

Rep. Rhonda Fields

Is she the one who said she is only doing this because he son was killed with a gun? Not factual or logical but emotional based?

[Gman]

Is she the one who said she is only doing this because he son was killed with a gun? Not factual or logical but emotional based?
Bingo

[n8tive97]

FEE!?!?!? Whatha [Rant1]

[Snowman78]

I like Rep Carole Murray!

[newracer]

As much as I despise some of the representatives I really like others.

[n8tive97]

I like Rep Carole Murray!

Me too

[Gman]

The Race Card from Salazar! [facepalm]

[newracer]

The Race Card from Salazar! [facepalm]

And a great response from Winchester!

[jhirsh5280]

The Race Card from Salazar! [facepalm]

Winchester calls his bluff

[newracer]

Me too

Me three!!!

[Madeinhb]

I hope I will be able to watch this later tonight in its entirety

[Teufelhund]

I hope I will be able to watch this later tonight in its entirety

No you don't. It was painful in its entirety.

[Rooskibar03]

Winchester calls his bluff

Not sure who it was but someone tried to slap him down as buying a gun is a choice and being black is not.

He choose to bite his tongue and excuse himself.

[yjsaindon]

My computer froze! What was it that Salazar said regarding race?

[jhirsh5280]

I get the feeling from some of these committee members that no matter what the Pro 2A say, they will vote for this new legislation. There seems to be a few that are genuinely intrigued and and some that seem to be with the Pro 2A crowd.

[Fmedges]

Can I get a summary of what you guys saw.

[cjmore]

OH WOW - What a great point, just swapping guns whileout shooting - Illegal!

NICE JOB

[hollohas]

I get the feeling from some of these committee members that no matter what the Pro 2A say, they will vote for this new legislation. There seems to be a few that are genuinely intrigued and and some that seem to be with the Pro 2A crowd.

This is a fact. I have had representatives respond to my emails blatantly saying, You and I disagree and I will be voting for gun control.

[Madeinhb]

I get the feeling from some of these committee members that no matter what the Pro 2A say, they will vote for this new legislation. There seems to be a few that are genuinely intrigued and and some that seem to be with the Pro 2A crowd.

I agree. I was trying to change shifts at work to go down there. My opening lines would have been something along the lines of, it doesn't matter what I or any of us has to say. You have made your minds up based on irrationalities.

[jhood001]

Alicia Peres/Perez raises an interesting point. Just what constitutes a transfer? If we are on private property, outside of the home, does letting another person use my firearm while not hunting constitute a transfer? And will that be illegal now?

[.455_Hunter]

I get the feeling from some of these committee members that no matter what the Pro 2A say, they will vote for this new legislation. There seems to be a few that are genuinely intrigued and and some that seem to be with the Pro 2A crowd.

Yup- The trick is getting just 2 of the 7 D's to feel the heat and vote No with the 4 R's. The bulk of the D's will vote yes no matter what.

[sellersm]

I get the feeling from some of these committee members that no matter what the Pro 2A say, they will vote for this new legislation. There seems to be a few that are genuinely intrigued and and some that seem to be with the Pro 2A crowd.

Pretty much a sham. The email replies I've received, as previously stated, indicate that their minds are already made up, which is probably why they're in the position they're in, in the 1st place!!

It's a shame. A travesty.

[BPTactical]

I get the feeling from some of these committee members that no matter what the Pro 2A say, they will vote for this new legislation. There seems to be a few that are genuinely intrigued and and some that seem to be with the Pro 2A crowd.

I am sitting here and I would tend to agree.
This committee seems predisposed.

Mr Wolf should not have hit the 64 prior to testifying

[Teufelhund]

Can I get a summary of what you guys saw.

Act I: Anti-gunners spouted and repeated ad nauseum fabricated statistics and biased polling numbers, then brought in numerous victims of tragedy (e.g. Columbine) to cry for the assembly and give unrelated, emotional testimony devoid of facts.

Act II: Pro-2A folks started with a lobbyist from the NRA who was well-spoken but missed a lot of opportunities to put the other side in its place, then moved on to several nervous folks who hadn't been paying attention and asked the same question over and over (e.g. "this bill means I can't hand someone a gun at the range and let them shoot it?!"). There was also a lawyer who talked way too long, but made some good points, and a few citizens who made some terrific points.

There were two legislators who were vehemently anti-gun, and two who were distinctly pro-gun.

[jhirsh5280]

Salazaar doesnt realize that criminals are always a step ahead. While they sit there and argue about this bill, they've already come up with a way around it, even before its been passed!

[newracer]

Sheriffs are up!!!!

[mb504]

Why is this Sheriff talking about the type of guns, when the hearing is about background checks?

[blacklabel]

Why is this Sheriff talking about the type of guns, when the hearing is about background checks?

That's been driving me crazy all day. A lot of the witnesses have failed to speak to the topic at hand today.

[T.rexford]

He was about to get into Background checks when they shut him down...

[Snowman78]

A woman, mother and non-gun owner is up now !

[BPTactical]

A woman, mother and non-gun owner is up now !

And speaking well!

[Teufelhund]

And speaking well!

She's killing it! Not even a gun-owner and making some of the most lucid points I've heard.

[jhirsh5280]

"We're wasting our time, we're wasting our money" "look at our society not at gun control"

[newracer]

Ms Grate hit it out of the park!!!!!

[blacklabel]

She rocked it.

[Snowman78]

She was great

[BPTactical]

Bob is hitting on all cylinders......

[asmo]

Sovereign citizen.. great way to leave the committee.. Fuck we are own worst enemy.

[newracer]

This last guy is a great way to end.

[asmo]

This last guy is a great way to end.

Great speaker. Glad he was the last speaker.

[.455_Hunter]

This last guy is a great way to end.

Good or Bad?

[Teufelhund]

Good or Bad?

Good. He's articulate and cogent.

[newracer]

Very good.

[BPTactical]

This last guy is a great way to end.

Agreed.

[Snowman78]

The was the best way to end

[Snowman78]

Lots of people standing!!!

[sellersm]

Exactly! They're talking about a right, and they want to push it into the courts which equates to 'segregation' because not all of us can afford legal counsel! Since when do we need legal counsel to give us the ability to exercise our 1st amendment rights? Or any other rights?

Almost everyone is standing in opposition!!

[DHC]

Pretty sure the final testimony was by attorney Robert Wareham. It was very well done.

[DeusExMachina]

Rep. Brittany Pettersen sounds like a cheerleader and looks like one too. Didn't see her on the video, just listened to her.

What's up next? I wasn't paying attention. Are they moving on to the other bills?

[clublights]

I've not been watching for long ( I started when the blonde lady in the grey suit was talking) but did ANYONE testify in favor of the bill ?

I had not really read the bill but after listening to this it's alot more extreme then I thought... you basically can't loan a gun to a friend ? WTF?

And can anyone explain how this is NOT a defacto registration?

[cfortune]

I would totally do Brittany Petterson.



FUUUUU Dues beat me to it.

[motohooligan]

Pretty good comments overall. There were a few cringeworthy moments, but I think our opposition was very well represented.

[.455_Hunter]

The people standing in the room remind me of the old man who refuses to bow to Loki in the the Avengers movie last year.

[motohooligan]

I've not been watching for long ( I started when the blonde lady in the grey suit was talking) but did ANYONE testify in favor of the bill ?

I had not really read the bill but after listening to this it's alot more extreme then I thought... you basically can't loan a gun to a friend ? WTF?

And can anyone explain how this is NOT a defacto registration?

The pro people had their two hours earlier in the day.

[mb504]

I've not been watching for long ( I started when the blonde lady in the grey suit was talking) but did ANYONE testify in favor of the bill ?


They had 2 hours for people speaking in support of the bill, then broke for five minutes before 2 hours of people speaking against.

[blacklabel]

They're asking questions of the bills sponsor. This may be the most interesting portion of the day.

[clublights]

anyone got a link I can read this amendment ( they just voted down) at ?

[newracer]

They are fucking idiots. They basically just said FFLs will be forced to perform background checks for private sales. This bill will go out of committee.

[DeusExMachina]

They're asking questions of the bills sponsor. This may be the most interesting portion of the day.

She has no idea what she's doing. She's basically proposing that FFLs will be bound by law to perform background checks for private sales. Where does it end? FFLs must be open 24 hours a day?

[jhood001]

I just screamed again.

[motohooligan]

This lady is out of control.

[cfortune]

You can be a felon and order a gun on the internet??????????

[sellersm]

Wow! If I'm a felon, I can go online and buy all kinds of guns!! Really??????

[Gman]

How can people continue to say that felons can buy guns off the Internet without a background check?

[motohooligan]

I think we would have more crime. People failing to do the background check.

[sellersm]

No, you're squashing our rights!! We don't need your approval to read a book, or lend a book, or any other right!!

[sellersm]

No, you pass laws to control.

[motohooligan]

IT ONLY HAS TO SAVE 1 LIFE... Think of the children

/SARCASM

[jhirsh5280]

This lady sounds like a mouthpiece for Obama

EDIT: Like I said before regardless of what was said certain committee members will vote for it

[sellersm]

Pragmatism is what strips us of our rights.

[sellersm]

"will fundamentally restrict the civil rights"!! YES!!

[motohooligan]

I'm getting sick.

[sellersm]

They're living on Mars or somewhere... This bill won't do anything to accomplish what they "propose" to help.

[Gman]

From the comments I'm hearing...the decisions were already made. Nothing said today had much of an impact to the end result.

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[jhirsh5280]

Words coming from law enforcement officials saying this bill will do nothing, have little weight on bureaucrats who sit behind desks all day.

[sellersm]

The whole thing just stinks: it's not their JOB to keep me safe! It's my job! Abdicating our lives to gov control, year after year, leads to this mess....

[sellersm]

Ex Marine selling out... [Rant1]

[cfortune]

FUCK

[DeusExMachina]

Sounds like we just got sold out by a Marine.

[lowbeyond]

First step to mandatory registration, Congrats CO. Western NY/NJ, Eastern CA

[Snowman78]

yep

[clublights]

How can you say your not for registration .. yet pass a law that is a defacto registration ?

[Fmedges]

What country is that fuck hole with an accent from?

[Gman]

Smug bureaucrat from Europe...

[lowbeyond]

Sounds like we just got sold out by a Marine.

That is not sounds like. It just was. Thanks Marine for selling us out.

[newracer]

Can't listen anymore.

[jhirsh5280]

All these legislators who vote yes are naive who think criminals will be deterred by this bill. Its a crock

[sellersm]

Sold out. Done. Sad day...

[.455_Hunter]

Who is the Marine?

[Gman]

Shocking. It's moving on to the Appropriations Committee.

[Snowman78]

pass 7 to 4

[Fmedges]

Smug bureaucrat from Europe...

Maybe he should go the fuck back there

[lowbeyond]

Shocking. Vote 7-4.

No one could see that coming.

[motohooligan]

Hooray for party lines. :(

[Gman]

Expect the same for the rest of the bills.

[Fmedges]

Just because you were in the Corps doesn't make someone any less of a moron.

[sellersm]

We should introduce a bill that will protect us from THEM!

[jslo]

21391

[Gman]

Keep on writing those letters.

[Teufelhund]

We should introduce a bill that will protect us from THEM!

We have one in the form of the Second Amendment. They don't give a shit what it says.

[MarkCO]

Rhonda Fields is who we met with on Friday. Jim Winchester is a long time gun rights advocate and friend...yes the name is the "famous" name.

[.455_Hunter]

Expect the same for the rest of the bills.

Well, let's see. Will the 10 to 15 round amendment or Magpul's issue cluster the second bill?

[motohooligan]

One more financial hurdle for law abiding gun owners. So now not only do we have to wait 10+ days for new gun, but also for one we buy from a friend. YIPPEE!

[sellersm]

We have one in the form of the Second Amendment. They don't give a shit what it says.

I'm pretty sure they think it says "Charmin" or "Cottonelle" on it.

[MarkCO]

We should introduce a bill that will protect us from THEM!

Senator Marble did, #140, it is in committe hearings tomorrow.

[MarkCO]

One more financial hurdle for law abiding gun owners. So now not only do we have to wait 10+ days for new gun, but also for one we buy from a friend. YIPPEE!

It is not a hurdle, it is essentially prohibition of private sales. FFLs will not do the transfers for $10!

[MarkCO]

Well, let's see. Will the 10 to 15 round amendment or Magpul's issue cluster the second bill?

Hickenlooper wants a Federal office...probably our best chance is to show him the light so he will not sign the bill. If it comes out of committee, it will probably pass both houses.

[Gman]

Look at how the last 2 elections have gone. He wants national office and him signing these gun control bills is a resume enhancer.

If you believe in the principles that founded this country, you are in the minority, and you shall comply.

[lowbeyond]

better not let your friend shoot your gun on your private range.

[sellersm]

but we're all just being pessimistic, that's what the chairman said! We've got more laws on the books since time began, and we're not safer. Again, I'm not asking our leaders to make me safer, not with useless, controlling means which create more problems than they solve.

[mahabali]

This is unbelievable.

[Rooskibar03]

Boy I sure hope someone is planning to inform the criminals there are new laws in effect.

[Dave_L]

Any bets on how much news coverage Magpul gets if/when it leaves the state? My guess is none.

[Gman]

There'll be a bunch of leftists there to wave goodbye.

[bryjcom]

I figured this type of stuff would happen in NY. Not CO. Sad day for Colorado.

[lowbeyond]

Any bets on how much news coverage Magpul gets if/when it leaves the state? My guess is none.

It will be cheered. Manufactures of assault murder magazines leaving the PRCO ? What is not to like if you are a Statist progressive?

[Teufelhund]

How's that property in Idaho looking now?

[Dave_L]

I was referring to the ~900 jobs/revenue lost because of the move.

[Great-Kazoo]

One more financial hurdle for law abiding gun owners. So now not only do we have to wait 10+ days for new gun, but also for one we buy from a friend. YIPPEE!

. My shit is in the process of being sold off between now & date of bill enactment.

When Guns are OUTLAWED
Only OUTLAWS will have GUNS..


On your feet or on your knees.

[Snowman78]

Now up
House Bill 1224, sponsored by Fields, which prohibits the sale or possession of gun magazines that hold more than 10 rounds or more than five shotgun shells

[Gman]

I was referring to the ~900 jobs/revenue lost because of the move.
Collateral damage. These people were doing something they think should be illegal and forbidden.

[DeusExMachina]

Just wait. Here comes 1224, "high capacity" magazines.

Edit: Sounds like Magpul has 5 minute testimony.

[mahabali]

I cant even watch this shit. I am getting so pissed.

[John123]

This is making me sick, Colorado is screwed :( I bet they pass 7-4 on the mag ban :(

[Gman]

It will fall on deaf ears. Sorry for the pessimism, but I don't trust these people. They have an agenda and will not deviate from the script.

[mahabali]

Clips

[jhirsh5280]

Colorado coming one step closer to becoming Commierado. Can someone please explain what happens next? I understand it has pass the committee, was that our only chance at stopping this? Where does it go from here?

[mtnrider]

I was referring to the ~900 jobs/revenue lost because of the move.

I think Magpul only employes 200 in Colorado (the rest are subs out of state) and I am sure the gun grabbers don't give a sh!t about those jobs. It's a lost cause in my opinion, they have already made up thre minds and have the numbers to do what they want.

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[.455_Hunter]

DP is reporting Durango's Rep. McLachlan wants to amend 10-round limit to 15. Says he won't vote for bill without amendment.

[johngraves2]

This is making me sick, Colorado is screwed :( 7-4 pass on the mag ban :(


i think 6-5, that one guy who voted yes on the BCG will vote no on this.

tell all your friends to email their reps so we can get this stuff to not pass the next level.

[DeusExMachina]

Colorado coming one step closer to becoming Commierado. Can someone please explain what happens next? I understand it has pass the committee, was that our only chance at stopping this? Where does it go from here?

I'm a little embarrassed that I have to explain this, but it goes to committee. If it make sit out of committee, it may go to another committee. After this it goes to the House floor for a vote. If it passes there, it goes to a Senate committee, then the Senate floor. Then the gov's desk.

[mahabali]

Colorado coming one step closer to becoming Commierado. Can someone please explain what happens next? I understand it has pass the committee, was that our only chance at stopping this? Where does it go from here?

They passed it on to the appropriations committee, not the full house. now it goes to another committee. Not law yet. But yeah, that's what will happen.

[lowbeyond]

DP is reporting Durango's Rep. McLachlan wants to amend 10-round limit to 15. Says he won't vote for bill without amendment.

Oh well Thank God ! CO can just be like NJ.

[johngraves2]

Colorado coming one step closer to becoming Commierado. Can someone please explain what happens next? I understand it has pass the committee, was that our only chance at stopping this? Where does it go from here?

it has been a while since i learned it, but first it is in the judiciary committee then the appropriations committee then the house floor. then to the senate committee then to the senate floor.

[mahabali]

i think 6-5, that one guy who voted yes on the BCG will vote no on this.

tell all your friends to email their reps so we can get this stuff to not pass the next level.

I will keep calling and emailing but they dont seem to give a shit.

[johngraves2]

I'm a little embarrassed that I have to explain this, but it goes to committee. If it make sit out of committee, it may go to another committee. After this it goes to the House floor for a vote. If it passes there, it goes to a Senate committee, then the Senate floor. Then the gov's desk.

looks like everyone beat me to it.

[mahabali]

Are they bringing in "victims" from out of state now?

[Fmedges]

Apparently, I hope she mentions that the "assault rifle" was left in the car.

[mahabali]

Ok, muting this lady.

[Gman]

I'll check back in here later. I just can't watch this nonsense any longer.

[DeusExMachina]

What happened to the 2 minute limit?

[blacklabel]

What happened to the 2 minute limit?

They seem to play pick and choose.

[.455_Hunter]

Oh well Thank God ! CO can just be like NJ.

No, what I mean is that the D front is not as united on this bill as the other bill. Though she is not a member of the commitee, Fields is opposed to such an amendmet. Might cause issues at voting time.

[johngraves2]

is there any thing said in this statement or is she just trying to get people to feel bad. all she said is what happened to her sister nothing else.

[blacklabel]

Ohh yay! They're bringing back the tool from the ATF.

[DeusExMachina]

I'm glad that retired ATF agents can find employment being an anti-gun shill.

[lowbeyond]

atf traitor is speaking.

eta. oh sorry he saiys he is a highly trained tactical operator. only had 15 rnd mags? uh-huh

[blacklabel]

Starting to push the need for 15 round magazines.

[blacklabel]

Here's the ATF tool:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FEv4t7Eh1I

[motohooligan]

So only the government can be trusted with hi-cap mags. Great.

[clublights]

15 rounds.......... in his side arm .. why didn't anyone ask what his rifles had ??

you know his AR with 30 round mags ?

[johngraves2]

this is just like watching piers morgan when it is on the TV at my gym, gets my blood going and makes me want to workout harder.......

Warning if you have high blood pressure do not watch this committee hearing!

[mahabali]

They better give the opponents 5 min each too.

[DeusExMachina]

You probably shouldn't have been a coroner if you can't handle death other humans cause to eachother and themselves.

[mahabali]

Nice Bob Gardner.

[MarkCO]

atf traitor is speaking.

eta. oh sorry he saiys he is a highly trained tactical operator. only had 15 rnd mags? uh-huh

Someone needs to investigate that idiot. Highly doutful.

[clublights]

THe Corner brought up the chuck e cheese shootings...


any one know what gun was used?

[Dave_L]

So assuming the background check BS passes, how does that affect private sales? Everything would have to be run through a local gun dealer, pay for a background check, 4473 and.........? Will the shop be required to do anything more with the 4473 than they do now?

[MarkCO]

Guess Golden PD won't be carrying hi-cap magazines as they are only for war.

[clublights]

Uhh can I call bullshit ... .


"hi cap mags" were NOT USED AT Virgina Tech fuckin liar

and I thought that Columbine didn't use them either ...

[MarkCO]

Handgun if I remember correctly.

[Rooskibar03]

Uhh can I call bullshit ... .


"hi cap mags" were NOT USED AT Virgina Tech fuckin liar

Havent you caught on yet, facts do not matter.

[mahabali]

They are not enforcing the 2 minute limit for proponents! Over 4 minutes!!

[blacklabel]

Dirty chief won't say that his department trains with ARs or has magazines greater than 15 rounds.

[DeusExMachina]

Caught Wright saying "mags". Good man, on our side.

[BPTactical]

Golden PD Cheif=fail

[lowbeyond]

asked a questions what rifle the golden cops train with and what is the mag capacity. said uh uh my glock holds 13